Proof that the Palace protected Andrew while pretending not to

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The truth is simpler than the Palace spin - Andrew was never truly expelled from the BRF. Despite public condemnation, he remained inside the family's inner circle, protected by silence and proximity, whilst Harry was pushed out entirely for daring to speak out against the system.

The monarchy did not act out of any sort of moral compulsion...it acted late, reluctantly and only when the OPTICS became indefensible, in an act of self-preservation.

Here's a short timeline of the BRF signalling their show of support and 'family unity' as well as examples of how they continued to protect Andrew:

• Aug 2019 – The Queen and Andrew were seen attending church together at Crathie Kirk, Balmoral the day after Epstein’s death. Her decision to sit with Andrew on Sunday was described as a "show of support" by The Daily Telegraph on Sunday, while other British newspapers featured headlines on a similar theme. Robert Jobson, royal editor at the Evening Standard, told INSIDER that the royals used their appearance together to "send a clear message" to the public.

• Nov 2019 – After his disastrous Newsnight interview, the Queen showed her open support for Andrew by being spotted horseback riding together in Windsor two days later .On Friday, the Queen was spotted horse riding with Prince Andrew in the grounds of Windsor in what one royal expert said was an apparent show of support to her second son. (Ingrid Seward, The Guardian)

• Jan 2020 – The Queen and Andrew attended Sunday church service at Sandringham. “He remains a member of the royal family,” a royal source said. “As a royal colonel and a war veteran, you can expect to see him at Remembrance Sunday. You can expect to see him on the balcony at Trooping the Colour too.” (People)

• Mar 2022 – The Queen chose Andrew as her main supporter to attend Phillip’s memorial service. This came just one month after Andrew’s £12 million settlement to Virginia Giuffre. Former BBC royal correspondent Peter Hunt said he was surprised to see the role Andrew was given at the service, noting that it would not have happened “by chance” and risked overshadowing the memorial and generating controversy around the world. “He could have sat in the congregation with others, with his relatives, but they actively decided that he would have this role of supporting her. So she has chosen, in essence, to remind people that he hasn’t admitted any wrongdoing, he’s not guilty of anything, he’s innocent. And she’s very clearly stating that he has a role at family occasions,” he said. (The Guardian)

• Sep 2022 – William, together with the Wessexes and Andrew flew to Scotland together and then drove to Balmoral the day QE died. Reminder that no one waited on Harry to join them. Andrew also held vigil in full military uniform with QE’s other children at Westminster Hall, despite being stripped of his military titles.

• Mar 2023 – A royal source states that the Waleses would prefer Andrew as a neighbor to Harry & Meghan.

• May 2023 - Andrew attended Charles’ coronation on May 6, 2023 at Westminster Abbey wearing formal robes of the Order of the Garter.

• Aug 2023 – William, together with Kate, is seen driving Andrew to church at Balmoral. Prince Andrew has attended church in Balmoral with senior royals in an apparent show of unity which insiders say marks an end to any talk of a “family divided”. (The Telegraph) | Royal commentator Richard Fitzwilliams told MailOnline the photographs of Prince Andrew travelling to church with the Waleses were 'clearly intended to send a message of family unity\'.\ (Daily Mail)

• Christmas - Dec 2022 & Dec 2023 – Andrew joined the BRF in both 2022 & 2023 at the Christmas church service at Sandringham.

• Easter - Apr 2023, Mar 2024 & Apr 2025 – Andrew joined the Royal family for the Easter Mattins service at Windsor in 2023 – 2025. Re: his 2025 appearance, On this occasion, Royal expert Phil Dampier said it is now “only a matter of time” before he fully welcomed back into the fold. He said Charles still loves his brother “and he doesn’t want him to be completely outcast”. He added: “It was very much a show of family unity”. Mr. Dampier believes Kate and William’s decision to stay away was not linked to Andrew. (The Sun)

• Order of the Garter Ceremony – 2022 – 2025 – Despite not allowed to be part of the public procession, as William and Charles are concerned with the optics of his public attendance, Andrew has been allowed to attend the private lunch and investiture ceremony since 2022, in what has been called a 'compromise' with Charles.

• Armed Protection & Subsequent Financial Support - 2022 – 2024 – Although he officially 'stepped down' from royal duties in November 2019, Andrew was allowed to keep his armed police protection as a member of the RF. It was only in 2022 when Andrew lost his HRH title due to his settlement with Virginia that he lost his taxpayer-funded armed police protection. Following this, Charles personally funded a private security team for his brother at Royal Lodge, a cost estimated to be around £3 million ($4 million) annually.

• Military Titles – 2019 – 2022/ 2025 – Again, despite being persona non grata since late 2019, Andrew was allowed to keep his military titles until they were stripped by QE in January 2022. Even then, he was still allowed to keep his title of Vice Admiral, typically representing the second-highest active rank in the Navy, until December 2025 when he lost the use of his Princely title.

• Housing – Andrew was allowed to keep Royal Lodge despite wave after subsequent wave of accusations against him, and again, in contrast to Harry and Meghan who were forced to give up Frogmore Cottage upon their exit from the RF. Despite reassurances of him vacating the property in 2025, this was only expedited on January 31^(st) 2026 after the most damning evidence to date was published in the most recent release of the Epstein files.

They are the same as anyone else: they've got each others back.

They could be on a council estate, slum etc anywhere: they are not above anyone

Parasitic grifters, the lot of them

QEII was warned at the time by her advisors about what PA was up to and how it was wrong. It's in A.Lownie's book.

It was clear that KC tried bringing his brother and SF back in to the fold as well; they were at church in Sandringham for the first time in years etc..

There must be thousands of other videos of Andrew they could show, but both BBC and Sky are fixated on those funeral shots showing him strutting around pompously, or photos of him haughtily trotting around on his horse. We know he’s an arrogant, pompous, supercilious buffoon. Give it a rest !

This is a fun game:

From the Deputy Secretary to the Queen and Head of News
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02017536.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02020640.pdf

"It would also seem she has a criminal record in the states. I have given her DoB and social security number for investigation with Chris the on duty ppo. "

"If this comes to the crunch we must have a statement ready for tomorrow or tonight that makes it perfectly clear our displeasure with the MoS for not listening and a really forceful denial."

Pompous little twerp. They should also have a word with "Chris the on duty ppo"

If every time their flaws come to light, we are told they are just like us, ergo human and fallible then it's safe to assume they are in no way morally superior.

In fact, by every measure they fall short of any superiority, except financially.

Why then are they bowed and scraped over when they are clearly unethical, unintelligent, adulterers, grifters and liars?

I truly do not get it.

Just some visual receipts for anyone who cares (pictures may take some time to load/ be approved)

Another classic.

They're all rotten to the core, Queenie included. I never had time for the sweet old lady mother of the nation bastion of duty shite anyway. It'll take more than a few marmalade sandwiches to help Andy out now mummy isn't here to protect him anymore

there’s zero doubt AMW showed and continues to show appalling judgement.
however he’s still family but that doesn’t translate to support or acceptance of his actions.
gone are the days of chaining princes in the tower, or public execution.

Couldn't agree more.

Read the quotes in my opening post from various Royal 'experts' accompanying these public outings.

This is not a normal family. They have vast estates - thousands of acres - they can spend all the time they want with in a family capacity without being seen in public, let alone being driven around in the same car, with him.

The RF cares very much about optics and they knew what message was being sent when they allowed him to join them REPEATEDLY. Barring funerals, he should have been excluded in all public appearances.

@PumpkinPieAlibi "Why then are they bowed and scraped over when they are clearly unethical, unintelligent, adulterers, grifters and liars? I truly do not get it."

Neither do I. Harry & Meghan were a gift from the gods for the press and establishment who were able to deflect the public's (pretty shallow) attention away from the rotting centre of its hierarchy.

If he is charged and is convicted, Andrew's family is still not responsible for any of his offences nor of his supposed crimes.

Wow! I would say the people close to him. as members of the institution that represent our joint nations, are very much responsible.

This is what monarchists are failing to understand.

You can’t have a RF and invite the public to take part in happy events and weddings and jubilees and then suddenly not become a family when things go wrong or one of their member is arrested!

This is precisely why we need a clear, separate, accountable elected Hesd of State!

Wow! I would say the people close to him. as members of the institution that represent our joint nations, are very much responsible.

By this logic are you saying anyone related to AMW is responsible for his actions?

They are not responsible for his actions, but once his actions became clear which, as a trade envoy they were, at the time, then the institutions have a responsibility not to cover it up and a responsibility to make sure they ensure that people are being held properly to account. What looks like happened here is that everyone knew what he was like and what he was doing but instead of acting they swept it under the carpet and allowed him to continue. Even worse, the people who should have been scrutinising the RF- the government and Parliament- colluded in the cover up. If they want to be an ordinary family who are not part of the Institution then all of them apart from the one person with a constitutional role need to go their own way.

Anyone in the family who has been aware for a number of years that AMW allegedly benefited from private financial deals while in public office and didn’t report it to the authorities, or tried to cover it up, is responsible yes.

Ditto anyone who was aware that AMW had allegedly been releasing confidential government information to unauthorised individuals.

Just as the CEO of a company would be ultimately responsible if one of their senior managers had been found to be committing fraud or selling insider information.

Of course questions immediately go to questions of trust and who knew and how much?

And going by some of the reports on major news channels atm, I am not the only one who thinks this.

It’s interesting because people were calling for Keir to resign because he should have known or suspected Mandelson.

On here?
and starmer did know that mandelson was a long time friend of Epstein before he gave him the job, he admitted as much !
his argument was he didn’t realise the “depth” of the friendship!

Starmer telling people to tell the truth 😂

I thought the press are not to be trusted?

😂 excellent use of giff ! Both the stathem and appropriate phrase! 😂

@jeffgoldblum My response was to @Roadtripwithpretzels, I thought I had tagged them and very much in that context.

There was lots of noise about Keir resigning in the wider media & I was referring to the insider knowledge that Mandy was “selling”
off, isn’t that what Andrew is in trouble for?

Apologies @treeowl! I see what you are saying now I’ve read the post by @Roadtripwithpretzels.

Well, of course they did. Now they distance themselves from him.

Andrew and Trump are scapegoats for darker things happening.

Who are many of us kneeling to and looking up to, eh? They may not be who they are made out to be. Shock horror.