I find it fascinating

[CaraVirra]

I’m trying to understand something, and I’m asking this in good faith.

After looking into the Meghan and Harry situation, I’m genuinely confused about the level of hostility directed at them by the British public… especially when that hostility extends to their children.

I’ve read widely and tried to identify what concrete harm Harry and Meghan have actually done to the British public, and I’m struggling to find a clear answer.

The turning point people seem to cite most often is Harry’s book. But even there, it’s a personal account of his experiences inside an institution. If anyone has a reason to be angry about that, it would logically be the royal family… not the public.

So I’m left with a question I can’t quite resolve:

Why is the public so angry on behalf of an institution that hasn’t asked them to be?

Is this a cultural expectation around loyalty to the monarchy? A reaction to breaking tradition? A media-driven narrative that hardened into public sentiment?

I’m not here to defend or attack anyone. I’m genuinely interested in understanding the reasoning from people who feel strongly about this, because from the outside looking in, the intensity of the reaction doesn’t seem proportionate to any identifiable public harm.

If you’re willing to explain your perspective without defaulting to insults or assumptions, I’d appreciate the conversation.

But isn’t that just a basic description?

Posters saying they are short sighted... yes probably they are!

But that could apply to all the royal family. They make gaffes, they do stupid things, they protect their own to the point one has to be stripped of everything and go to a name he has never used. They are untouchable however.
All of them are short sighted.
The difference is ... if you are within the royal circle, you get away with it somewhat. If you are outside that circle, you are trashed day in day out.

Why am I now thinking of the Fockers and the De Niro's 'circle of trust' 🤣😂

I think you misunderstand me. I think they are lacking judgement because they have not anticipated the negative reactions they have had from most of their seemingly spontaneous behaviors. They have a train of failed or relatively unsuccessful business ventures, mostly because they have been poorly thought out and rushed - enthusiasm over judgement, planning.

Comments they made in the interview and anecdotes from Harry's book have proven to be factually dodgy and caused a backlash.

They may be well justified in their grievance against the family. But the way in which they have gone about it has been reactive rather than organized which makes them look like unreliable narrators, teens having a strop, rather than rational adults with a genuine reason to complain and a justified request for reform.

Really they were never going to win without some serious strategists behind them and sometimes for your own benefit its better to walk away than continue to battle.

Because PH was born into the Royal Family and therefore born into a duty to serve the nation.

Because they are wealthy.

Because Meghan is a confident woman.

Because the media make sales by publishing negative articles about them.

Because of the comparisons to Edward and Wallace Simpson.

Because of the Oprah interview and Spare.

They seem happy, though and I hope they are!

I agree. I think Harry's 'issues' are because he is part of the RF and has been brought up as a member of the RF. I suspect Harrys greatest 'crime' is revealing what they are all like. He is somehow still in denial about what the Monarchy actually is. He wants them to be a 'family rather than an institution' but they want to be part of the institution because that's what gives their family their money and, more importantly, their influence. Harry (and by the looks of it, William) want a Monarchy that is even less accountable and even more entitled to privilege with little to no responsibility. He wants to go back in time where he and his children could swan around with their titles and do what they like with little or no scrutiny, by the press or the public purely because they are Royal. Ironically he has made himself a human shield, protecting the Monarchy from scrutiny, by leaving and behaving so idiotically. Meghan, who cares what she does? You would have to have been beamed down from space to think she is representing the British Monarchy, despite her legitimately using her titles. So a private company is paying her to make inane telly. So what? She puts some photo on her own Instagram. Who cares? Only people who are desperate to be outraged at everything she does.

I suppose in summary people view them as disloyal to the nation and the RF. I don't think that, I think good for them for being brave enough to leave that life if they didn't want it or didn't feel safe in it.

IMO they left the Royal life because the restrictions prevented them from benefitting to the extent they (Meghan) wished. Designers offering to send her endless freebies and she had to turn them away - that is totally contrary to the life she had been living.

I suspect they also had dripped constantly into their ears how well they would do if they were outside of the RF - presumably Sunshine Sachs were retained to establish that the interest was there. Wonderful multi-million pound contracts and global adoration - it must have sounded very appealing.

Unfortunately for them, their lack of loyalty to the very family who had put them in this place, greed and provable lies turned them into a seriously disliked couple - and it's all gone downhill from there.

Both really but if I'm honest although I bought the book I didn't make it passed chapter 1 🤷‍♀️

Well said.

Harry & Meghan are god's gift for the Royals. If there is a bit of a furore about something a Royal is doing, drop a subtle hint about harry and/or meghan and the papers will be full of it.
They are really all rich aristocrats who some of the british public revere and adore. Others can see them for what they are... rich people rolling in money.

Meghan was never going to be one of them... an actress, divorced, american, and I hope Harry can cope with such a contrast to his previous life of being a rich british aristocrat!

One day perhaps, people will just get bored of spouting off about harry and meghan and look more to our own homegrown royals. Doubtful probably, although it has waned somewhat on here and it's just a core group talking abut them. Everyone else is just bored of them!

Emm , they didn’t want to leave ! Do I have to post their statement yet again ?

Oh dear, I never thought I'd say this, but Cara, are you a little hard of understanding?

I think the press keep them front page and current. If they didn’t report on them I doubt they’d cross people’s minds.
I don’t particularly care for them due to their lies and treatment of their families and friends. And would be quite happy to never see an article about them again.

The quote from the book about mocking the matron:

He and his friends would “stand on the landing below her doing antic dances, making faces, mocking her as she came down the stairs”.

Not just a 'basic description'.

Edit to add: even if you had been thoughtless enough to do this as a child, most adults would now regret doing so, not reiterate it in a book.

Meghan? Is that you? 👀

Are all these recent threads about poor Haz and Meg an attempt to make them more palatable to The British Public? 😂

Truth is we don't mind about them as long as they stay nicely in the US. Would utterly hate for them to relocate to the UK and the tabloids sucking every little bit out of their rage bait brand.

I wish them well, but they are totally irrelevant to my life. And I have personally never seen any hate directed at their children.

To be honest, I would have thought that more likely to come from racist supremacists, rather than MN-eaters.

Harry and Meghan are interesting because they're that toxic mix of stupid/not as clever as they think they are, and entitled/arrogant. They're an endless source of entertainment in just how awfully they can balls things up and not do things proportionately well to the opportunities they have. Watching them whine, complain (mostly Harry, Meghan at least is trying to do something constructive), say dumb stuff, prance about on their "tours" like whatever they say/do is impactful, accept bullshit awards etc can be helpful for people who have real problems. They're like clowns, really, but without the pathos. Earnest clowns. They're just anodyne, mild entertainment to help people take their minds off serious issues.

Yes I read it . He’s allowed to describe people from his experience isn’t he ? else he wouldn’t be able to write a book ! I guess my interpretation of slagging someone off is different to yours . He didn’t slag anyone off in my opinion . In fact he expressed a lot of love and compassion for a lot of people , but that won’t be noted . I’d love to know what crime he has done that’s so bad to be hated so much . I’m not suggesting you hate btw , just lots of other people . The world is getting more n more pathetic .

@CaraVirra so your conclusion about what the great British public think about members of the royal family are based on what a social media algorithm has served up to you, what a tiny majority of online commenters have said and not even having read the book? Kindly I think you need to consider your own critical thinking skills and think about opining with the bare minimum of information at your fingertips.

No! You are right of course. They did want that half in/half out. Apologies, I had forgotten that!

Wanted to leave the UK to live in the US, I guess though? If I remember correctly.

I dont see how that is any different to what his cousins have. They go onthe church walks, family events, garden parties and pursue their own commercial interests. I doubt Bea and Eugenie are handed £££ to talk about tech in the ME because of their expertise. They also have their own charitable patronages. Why did they not just do that?

They were extraordinarily popular for a very long time. Far more popular than William and Kate who seem nice but quite dull

But when it comes down to it, they’ve fucked it up because of a number of things Brits expect the Royal Family never to be - ungrateful, whiney, entitled, liars and for me the worst of all - lecturing others. Harry, a man who has used very racist terms and dressed up as a Nazi for fun, telling others about racial bias? Hysterical. They’re the most privileged family on earth. We know it, They know it. But as long as they know it, accept it and don’t take the piss, we don’t mind too much. The moment they start whining because they had to have IKEA furniture and a “small” 4 bed house in Windsor for free, is the moment they deservedly lose sympathy.

Hes also cost the taxpayer hundreds of thousands of pounds in his tantrum to break the rules. So their actions have affected everyday Brits.

Because they wanted to remain senior royals with all the perks, and to monetise the Sussex title and make it a brand. It doesn’t work like that. Beatrice and Eugiene aren’t Senior royals.

Are you sure you read the book? He made some very nasty comments about her appearance which she only had because of her disability.

He also told some pretty silly whoppers.

People don’t like liars.

He also humiliated the poor woman he lost his virginity to, who had a hell of a time after it came out because of the sudden scrutiny

That book of Harry’s is what led me to realise fully what a nasty, vicious, misogynistic little man he really is.