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King Charles - disquiet at Highgrove & the gardeners’ exodus - SUNDAY TIMES INVESTIGATION

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vera99 · 20/07/2025 06:59

Murdoch is growing bolder in his dotage — first with Trump, and now with another bombshell investigation into the grasping, stagnant, and catastrophically out-of-touch Windsors. And yet we keep pumping more public money into this so-called dysfunctional family.

What you need to know

King’s demands, staff shortages and low pay led to gardener exodus at Highgrove

Royal charity which runs gardens told to offer mental health support after formal investigation

Charles has lost 11 of 12 garden staff since 2022 including two head gardeners who quit within a year

Monarch said of one worker: “Do not put that man in front of me again”

After Ukraine invasion King proposed plugging staff shortages with war refugees or the elderly

At one point half of staff were on minimum wage

https://archive.ph/fspT3#selection-1495.0-1501.155

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LadyJaneGrey18 · 20/07/2025 10:30

Internaut · 20/07/2025 10:27

It's simple market forces, isn't it? There's an obvious benefit in having service at Highgrove on your CV, particularly in relation to gardening, so people will take a lower wage as a quid pro quo.

Yes they probably do it for a year for their CV and then move on.

Internaut · 20/07/2025 10:33

oudle · 20/07/2025 10:30

There's an obvious benefit in having service at Highgrove on your CV, particularly in relation to gardening, so people will take a lower wage as a quid pro quo.

I'm sure Tesco & Amazon use the same argument.

Obviously not, but they are not recruiting for jobs requiring comparable skills.

HappyNewTaxYear · 20/07/2025 10:35

OneSharpFinch · 20/07/2025 09:30

Losing 11/12 staff in 3 years does seem to suggest there's a problem, they also currently have five open vacancies for chef's. Looking at recent HG ads for Highgrove the pay is £24,500 which seems low compared to the National Trust salary for HG of £33,000.

There you have it. One of the richest families in the world pays shockingly low wages. Yet still people come on here to defend them.

oudle · 20/07/2025 10:35

Obviously not, but they are not recruiting for jobs requiring comparable skills.

They definitely use the same argument. Plenty of people get annoyed that tax payers have to prop up employers low wages. I think the Royals should lead by example personally.

oudle · 20/07/2025 10:36

Yet still people come on here to defend them.

I find it utterly bizarre but fascinating

Ibelievetheworldisburningtotheground · 20/07/2025 10:36

vera99 · 20/07/2025 07:55

This behaviour reflects an upbringing steeped in privilege and entitlement.
We’ve already seen public glimpses of Charles’s irritation and anger when things don't go exactly as he expects. One can only imagine what he’s like behind closed doors. I suspect he’s a deeply unpleasant man to work for.

Absolutely

And there are tales that W is just like him when it comes to entitlement and attention as well, not just H.

Mirabai · 20/07/2025 10:37

I told you he was a twat.

PigeonDress · 20/07/2025 10:38

oudle · 20/07/2025 10:27

He said it would be "just his luck" to return as a tampon, not that he wanted to be one. Just my luck means quite the opposite of wish fulfillment. And that private conversation was illegally intercepted.

This doesn't make it any better, it's cringe!

I imagine most of what you say in private to your lover is cringe too. It was never meant for public consumption any more than your intimate conversations are. And the poster got wrong about his wishing to be a tampon, so point proven.

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 10:39

All these comments yet no one has brought up the point that many of these people resigned because of a change in their working situation - previously employed by Charles who would put his hand in his own pockets for things needed but now employed under the Charity scheme.

aGirlLikeJesamine · 20/07/2025 10:40

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 10:39

All these comments yet no one has brought up the point that many of these people resigned because of a change in their working situation - previously employed by Charles who would put his hand in his own pockets for things needed but now employed under the Charity scheme.

exactly, there are always two sides to every story

PigeonDress · 20/07/2025 10:41

HappyNewTaxYear · 20/07/2025 10:35

There you have it. One of the richest families in the world pays shockingly low wages. Yet still people come on here to defend them.

What is stopping them working somewhere else that pays more?

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 10:43

I used to have a boss who would write to you on different coloured paper. You immediately knew if it was a telling off or not by the colour. 😂

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 10:44

aGirlLikeJesamine · 20/07/2025 10:40

exactly, there are always two sides to every story

People don't actually seem to have read the whole article .

Worriedmum67 · 20/07/2025 10:45

Cardemomle · 20/07/2025 07:38

I think it's a great idea to hire refugees and the elderly.

paying them a good salary or he wants to hire refugees so he can pay them less?

IAmATorturedPoet · 20/07/2025 10:46

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 10:44

People don't actually seem to have read the whole article .

This.
The timelines tell the real story.

Internaut · 20/07/2025 10:47

oudle · 20/07/2025 10:35

Obviously not, but they are not recruiting for jobs requiring comparable skills.

They definitely use the same argument. Plenty of people get annoyed that tax payers have to prop up employers low wages. I think the Royals should lead by example personally.

Come off it. Not even Tesco's argues that working at Tesco's confers particular prestige or skills. The fact is that Highgrove is a well-known garden and, in gardening circles, people know that gardeners who have worked there and held down a job must be decent quality and will have learned good skills and practices. That will make it easier to get more prestige and better paid jobs in future.

PigeonDress · 20/07/2025 10:47

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 10:44

People don't actually seem to have read the whole article .

@vera99 has cherry picked the bits to create maximum, republican outrage. They are all frothing over their avocado toast this morning.

Cardemomle · 20/07/2025 10:52

Internaut · 20/07/2025 10:47

Come off it. Not even Tesco's argues that working at Tesco's confers particular prestige or skills. The fact is that Highgrove is a well-known garden and, in gardening circles, people know that gardeners who have worked there and held down a job must be decent quality and will have learned good skills and practices. That will make it easier to get more prestige and better paid jobs in future.

This is the point. They will have learned excellent, organic gardening skills, very transferable.

Cardemomle · 20/07/2025 10:53

Worriedmum67 · 20/07/2025 10:45

paying them a good salary or he wants to hire refugees so he can pay them less?

Is that what you get from a willingness to hire refugees? A desire to ecploit?
Oh my god. Usually it's a positive to hire the marginalised.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 20/07/2025 10:59

PigglyWigglyOhYeah · 20/07/2025 07:12

The memos are often strikingly specific and emotional — demanding, for instance, that staff move a single, unacceptable ragwort from the perimeter of his swimming pool; telling them their failure to cultivate his beloved delphiniums had caused an almighty disappointment and spoilt one of his favourite moments of the summer; and even correcting grammar.

I'm not sure why someone who pays people for the upkeep of a treasured garden would accept a large weed growing in an obvious, jarring place or not be irritated that their favourite planting hadn't happened. Or is the King meant to accept the sort of sloppy stewardship that MNetters would sack their cleaners for (see a recent thread concerning unwiped windowsills) just because he is the monarch?

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Perhaps they are a bit overworked and underpaid, The local council gardeners make 13.70 an hour and they just strim everything back and cut grass all day.

I think if you are paying min wage for what is relatively hard physically graft you aren’t also going to get someone with great horticultural knowledge.

To maintain an established garden you really need people with experience and an eye for detail which you are unlikely to find for min wage.

ConstitutionHill · 20/07/2025 11:01

PigglyWigglyOhYeah · 20/07/2025 07:12

The memos are often strikingly specific and emotional — demanding, for instance, that staff move a single, unacceptable ragwort from the perimeter of his swimming pool; telling them their failure to cultivate his beloved delphiniums had caused an almighty disappointment and spoilt one of his favourite moments of the summer; and even correcting grammar.

I'm not sure why someone who pays people for the upkeep of a treasured garden would accept a large weed growing in an obvious, jarring place or not be irritated that their favourite planting hadn't happened. Or is the King meant to accept the sort of sloppy stewardship that MNetters would sack their cleaners for (see a recent thread concerning unwiped windowsills) just because he is the monarch?

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Pays people minimum wage remember, and a lot of their time is spent, hand picking greenfly off plants as pesticide is banned. This is the King's entitled nature when the cameras are not rolling. Remember the pen incident?

CurlewKate · 20/07/2025 11:02

PigeonDress · 20/07/2025 10:47

@vera99 has cherry picked the bits to create maximum, republican outrage. They are all frothing over their avocado toast this morning.

I’m not!

CurlewKate · 20/07/2025 11:03

Worriedmum67 · 20/07/2025 10:45

paying them a good salary or he wants to hire refugees so he can pay them less?

“The elderly” were definitely expected to be volunteers (expressly stated in the article). Not sure about refugees.

Marisa71 · 20/07/2025 11:04

I don't blame him, I hate bad grammar too! Bless him he's old school. He pays people to garden and manage other gardeners. They should come up to scratch or stop bleating!

ThisGentleShaker · 20/07/2025 11:08

PigglyWigglyOhYeah · 20/07/2025 07:12

The memos are often strikingly specific and emotional — demanding, for instance, that staff move a single, unacceptable ragwort from the perimeter of his swimming pool; telling them their failure to cultivate his beloved delphiniums had caused an almighty disappointment and spoilt one of his favourite moments of the summer; and even correcting grammar.

I'm not sure why someone who pays people for the upkeep of a treasured garden would accept a large weed growing in an obvious, jarring place or not be irritated that their favourite planting hadn't happened. Or is the King meant to accept the sort of sloppy stewardship that MNetters would sack their cleaners for (see a recent thread concerning unwiped windowsills) just because he is the monarch?

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He was asking his Highgrove staff -already stretched, overworked and underpaid - to work on his private property and therefore take on responsibilities beyond their remit.
Not a good look.

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