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King Charles - disquiet at Highgrove & the gardeners’ exodus - SUNDAY TIMES INVESTIGATION

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vera99 · 20/07/2025 06:59

Murdoch is growing bolder in his dotage — first with Trump, and now with another bombshell investigation into the grasping, stagnant, and catastrophically out-of-touch Windsors. And yet we keep pumping more public money into this so-called dysfunctional family.

What you need to know

King’s demands, staff shortages and low pay led to gardener exodus at Highgrove

Royal charity which runs gardens told to offer mental health support after formal investigation

Charles has lost 11 of 12 garden staff since 2022 including two head gardeners who quit within a year

Monarch said of one worker: “Do not put that man in front of me again”

After Ukraine invasion King proposed plugging staff shortages with war refugees or the elderly

At one point half of staff were on minimum wage

https://archive.ph/fspT3#selection-1495.0-1501.155

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octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 22:00

As I said is a high turnover of staff always evidence of bullying, bad working conditions etc ? The Sussexes are well known for their high turnover . What are the reasons for this ?

vera99 · 20/07/2025 22:05

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 22:00

As I said is a high turnover of staff always evidence of bullying, bad working conditions etc ? The Sussexes are well known for their high turnover . What are the reasons for this ?

While I made a lighthearted comment about Meghan early on in the thread to deflect potential “whataboutery,” it wasn’t an open invitation to flood the discussion with it. This thread is about the King and his treatment of his gardeners at Highgrove. I would be grateful if posters could please respect that focus. There are plenty of threads about the dynamic duo, and of course, we’re all free to start a thread about their treatment of gardeners at Montecito if any facts come to light.

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CoffeeCantata · 20/07/2025 22:07

LeaAndDer · 20/07/2025 21:32

Spot on

Hardly - I think that poster’s been at the gin too!

This is one of the most ridiculous, rambling, confused, batty, illogical, ill -informed and crazy threads I’ve ever seen on MN Royal. First, OP admits to starting it just to wind us up, then goes AWOL to a garden party, then comes back decidedly tipsy and googles the wrong person, having insulted poor Sir David B for having tats. Comedy gold!

Thanks, Vera - it’s cheered me up on a dull Sunday evening.

Shetlands · 20/07/2025 22:07

Gardeners charge around £25 an hour round here (south-west Devon).

simpsonthecat · 20/07/2025 22:10

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 22:00

As I said is a high turnover of staff always evidence of bullying, bad working conditions etc ? The Sussexes are well known for their high turnover . What are the reasons for this ?

This is a thread about Charles, Highgrove and his gardeners. Not Meghan. It's so boring when posters just want to bang on about Meghan on a thread that has nothing to do with her

vera99 · 20/07/2025 22:15

CoffeeCantata · 20/07/2025 22:07

Hardly - I think that poster’s been at the gin too!

This is one of the most ridiculous, rambling, confused, batty, illogical, ill -informed and crazy threads I’ve ever seen on MN Royal. First, OP admits to starting it just to wind us up, then goes AWOL to a garden party, then comes back decidedly tipsy and googles the wrong person, having insulted poor Sir David B for having tats. Comedy gold!

Thanks, Vera - it’s cheered me up on a dull Sunday evening.

Thanks like Queen Mary, I’ll gladly take that! But I’ve promised myself and my partner (who finds my behaviour frankly bizarre) that this will be a time-limited, one-thread, hit-and-run appearance. When Hope temporarily banned me two years ago, I took the chance to stay away. But as time went on, and I saw the never-ending H&M threads, I couldn’t resist the urge to return. That was a mistake. I just hope Harry takes the same advice and does the same. Damn - I’ve just broken my own thread policing!

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octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 22:17

simpsonthecat · 20/07/2025 22:10

This is a thread about Charles, Highgrove and his gardeners. Not Meghan. It's so boring when posters just want to bang on about Meghan on a thread that has nothing to do with her

No it's very relevant. I disagree with you.

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 22:18

vera99 · 20/07/2025 22:05

While I made a lighthearted comment about Meghan early on in the thread to deflect potential “whataboutery,” it wasn’t an open invitation to flood the discussion with it. This thread is about the King and his treatment of his gardeners at Highgrove. I would be grateful if posters could please respect that focus. There are plenty of threads about the dynamic duo, and of course, we’re all free to start a thread about their treatment of gardeners at Montecito if any facts come to light.

Two Posts are not FLOODING .

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 22:20

vera99 · 20/07/2025 22:05

While I made a lighthearted comment about Meghan early on in the thread to deflect potential “whataboutery,” it wasn’t an open invitation to flood the discussion with it. This thread is about the King and his treatment of his gardeners at Highgrove. I would be grateful if posters could please respect that focus. There are plenty of threads about the dynamic duo, and of course, we’re all free to start a thread about their treatment of gardeners at Montecito if any facts come to light.

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So it's ok for you to mention but not others. That's not how it works. 😂

vera99 · 20/07/2025 22:21

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 22:18

Two Posts are not FLOODING .

It's a flash flood - sign of the "Times" - Charles would agree with me on this - probably.

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simpsonthecat · 20/07/2025 22:25

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 22:17

No it's very relevant. I disagree with you.

Can you explain why Meghan has anything to do with the gardeners at highgrove. I'm mystified.

It's just so boring when there's loads of other threads to go on and on about her

Noras · 20/07/2025 22:29

I love every mm of Highgrove and I am gratefil that it’s open to the public. KC did not need to open it but he did.

He is clearly a perfectionist and you see this in the garden and his artwork.

He is also kind and gave free tickets for an AsD SEN group to go to Highgrove although we have not yet taken them.

octopustheslapper · 20/07/2025 22:40

simpsonthecat · 20/07/2025 22:25

Can you explain why Meghan has anything to do with the gardeners at highgrove. I'm mystified.

It's just so boring when there's loads of other threads to go on and on about her

Read carefully - high turnover of staff 🤷‍♀️

Spectre8 · 20/07/2025 22:57

simpsonthecat · 20/07/2025 22:10

This is a thread about Charles, Highgrove and his gardeners. Not Meghan. It's so boring when posters just want to bang on about Meghan on a thread that has nothing to do with her

Considering people bang on about her being a bully based on her high turnover of staff...so here we have high turnover of staff with king charles...so where are those people who will call her a bully but seemingly won't call charles one

Zellycat · 20/07/2025 23:37

CoffeeCantata · 20/07/2025 21:29

What a childish and mean post.

What evidence are you basing all this rubbish on?

Bet you won’t answer….

IMO OP posted about Chaz being childish and mean to his staff.

What evidence are you looking for? It’s common knowledge.

Spectre8 · 21/07/2025 05:59

CoffeeCantata · 20/07/2025 22:07

Hardly - I think that poster’s been at the gin too!

This is one of the most ridiculous, rambling, confused, batty, illogical, ill -informed and crazy threads I’ve ever seen on MN Royal. First, OP admits to starting it just to wind us up, then goes AWOL to a garden party, then comes back decidedly tipsy and googles the wrong person, having insulted poor Sir David B for having tats. Comedy gold!

Thanks, Vera - it’s cheered me up on a dull Sunday evening.

Well you think Meghans high turnover of staff points to the fact shenis a bully. So what do you think aboif Charlss high turnover of staff then?

You thinknthe way she is said to have treated her staff a sign she is a bully, so do yo think Charles is a bully for the mean way he treats his staff?

CoffeeCantata · 21/07/2025 07:24

Spectre8 · 21/07/2025 05:59

Well you think Meghans high turnover of staff points to the fact shenis a bully. So what do you think aboif Charlss high turnover of staff then?

You thinknthe way she is said to have treated her staff a sign she is a bully, so do yo think Charles is a bully for the mean way he treats his staff?

Ah, Spectre! Good morning to you!

To respond:

You tell me what I think…but I haven’t said these things on this thread…so that’s a bit creepy- you must be remembering or misremembering my opinions from other threads. Can we not make it personal, please - I thought we’d established that was the best policy? Don’t follow pps from thread to thread, setting old scores.

Firstly, I haven’t brought Meghan into this discussion - can you show me where I mention her on here?

Secondly, I haven’t expressed opinions on the points you raise - I think all I’ve said (except to have a bit of a laugh with Vera yesterday) was to wonder if the point of the charity employing the gardeners actually trains them, and the natural progression is for them to leave for better-paid posts when trained. I was also honest and humble enough to admit this was only an idea, and to ask if other pps knew one way or the other.

Now, will you answer the points I’ve raised? Or did you just come on to launch yet another unfounded personal attack? I hope you’ll take the trouble to answer and prove me wrong.

CoffeeCantata · 21/07/2025 07:26

Zellycat · 20/07/2025 23:37

IMO OP posted about Chaz being childish and mean to his staff.

What evidence are you looking for? It’s common knowledge.

It’s a serious allegation so needs chapter and verse, please!

Sources?

CoffeeCantata · 21/07/2025 07:30

Spectre8 · 20/07/2025 22:57

Considering people bang on about her being a bully based on her high turnover of staff...so here we have high turnover of staff with king charles...so where are those people who will call her a bully but seemingly won't call charles one

That’s not why people accuse her.

Staff in the UK, US and Canada have made these allegations and their ex-employees have formed The Sussex Survivors Club. Some have required therapy as a result of their experience with H & M.

Just sayin’ - because you have been determined to raise the issue of M’s alleged bullying on this thread, where it’s not particularly relevant.

vera99 · 21/07/2025 08:25

Noras · 20/07/2025 22:29

I love every mm of Highgrove and I am gratefil that it’s open to the public. KC did not need to open it but he did.

He is clearly a perfectionist and you see this in the garden and his artwork.

He is also kind and gave free tickets for an AsD SEN group to go to Highgrove although we have not yet taken them.

Good morning !

He may well possess those qualities, and I’ve no doubt that Highgrove is a beautiful garden I’d go in a heartbeat if it were convenient. But the real issue here is his appalling treatment of staff, both in terms of behaviour and remuneration.

Life is hard for working people in 2025. Raising a family, paying the bills, and affording the essentials of modern life is a daily struggle. Meanwhile, we have a King born into immense privilege, shielded by tax advantages, legal protections, and centuries of taxpayer-funded wealth treating his staff with contempt, trying to get away with the lowest possible remuneration that can legally (or morally) be justified. He even appears willing to exploit the goodwill of elderly or refugee volunteers, as though even paying the minimum wage is too much to ask.

For three years, many years ago, I worked alongside a friend who had a franchised gardening business the mow, blow and go brigade so I have a worm’s-eye view of just how difficult and physically punishing that work is. Bad backs and injuries are common, often career-ending, and can cast a shadow over a person’s entire working life. A fair wage isn’t a luxury it’s the bare minimum acknowledgment of the toll that labour takes and it's great that many here of whatever stripe fully understand it and renumerate accordingly.

When I visited Chatsworth recently, I was stunned by the size and quality of the gardens especially the rock garden, which is on an almost unimaginable scale. But the moment I saw it, I couldn’t help but think of the countless poor souls who, back in the day, must have died or broken their backs building it. They’re now forgotten in the mists of time, while the lords and masters who commanded the work are commemorated in oil portraits and statues, immortalised at the top of the pile.

And here we are again, with a new aristocracy behaving in much the same way draped in privilege, indifferent to the human cost beneath the beauty they claim to cultivate.

Thank God my ancestors had the courage to rise up some by swinging swords and axes, others by rioting in the streets or conspiring together in whispers and pamphlets. Democracy and justice were never handed down by these people they had to be seized from their cold, dark hands, hands dripping with the blood of resistance.

And why would I ever utter a word of support, or sing the national anthem, or stand to attention for these usurpers and rogues? Never have, and never will—to my dying breath. Long Live the Republic ! God Save Graham Smith !

“What power have you got?
Where did you get it from?
In whose interests do you exercise it?
To whom are you accountable?
And how can we get rid of you?”
— Tony Benn

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simpsonthecat · 21/07/2025 08:45

Gardening is back breaking work. Me and DH used to manage ours all ourselves until we got old and decrepit and needed just a bit of help once a fortnight. Whatever she wants money wise she can have it! She never stops cutting back, hedge trimming, hauling around huge sacks of garden rubbish. She is worth every penny, after all... a PP said she pays her gardener £40 an hour, we pay half of that where we live, so Charles's pathetic £8.50 an hour is shocking. You can't pay the kudos of working at Highgrove into the bank!

CoffeeCantata · 21/07/2025 08:54

simpsonthecat · 21/07/2025 08:45

Gardening is back breaking work. Me and DH used to manage ours all ourselves until we got old and decrepit and needed just a bit of help once a fortnight. Whatever she wants money wise she can have it! She never stops cutting back, hedge trimming, hauling around huge sacks of garden rubbish. She is worth every penny, after all... a PP said she pays her gardener £40 an hour, we pay half of that where we live, so Charles's pathetic £8.50 an hour is shocking. You can't pay the kudos of working at Highgrove into the bank!

I agree with your point about paying gardeners properly; we do so with ours, and pay him a retainer too for the winter months, No issue there.

I admit I haven’t looked into the minutiae of this, which maybe you have, but you always have to pay self-employed people more because they need to factor in their pension and NI contributions, as well as insurance. Employed staff will have all these things paid by their employer. Not justifying exploitation - if that’s what it actually is, on behalf of this charity, but just making an important general point.

CurlewKate · 21/07/2025 09:31

If I can understand the article correctly, the King set up a company with himself as the sole shareholder so that he could rent Highgrove for life from The Duchy of Cornwall. The King’s (formally Prince’s) Trust are responsible for the gardens. It does seem a little strange that in this somewhat circular arrangement, the King has no say in the salaries paid to the garden workers. Obviously the legal arrangements will be watertight. Just a little….distasteful, surely?

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