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Wine, apricot spread and honey. I think we've had all the suggestions for names already ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14832085/amp/Meghan-Markle-new-products-rose-wine-apricot-spread.html

Lilibet’s first birthday at Frogmore was heavily briefed that the cousins wouldn’t attend.

Well, given that it was the Jubilee weekend, and all senior royals had several events which would have been in their calendars months in advance, it was pretty dumb to have a birthday party on that day if you were genuinely expecting them to attend, wasn't it? Were they all supposed to drop everything on the busiest royal weekend in years to attend a party for a child none of them had met?

And that's aside from the obvious fact that no senior royal would want to be in presence of Harry and Meghan, for fear of what might be said in the next book/TV interview/podcast.

DM reporting that Will will strip Harry n the kids of their HRHs when king.

https://archive.ph/CeGn0

This is very true, IcedPurple, but it produced a few pics with the RF notably absent, which might just suit the narrative either now or in the future

Yeah, they must have known perfectly well that there was no way any senior royal could have attended the birthday party, even in the unlikely event they'd have wanted to. Their absence does feed into the Sussex victim narrative however, but then again what doesn't?

I hope he goes the whole hog and removes the Prince and Princess titles from the children as well, it is utterly ridiculous that we have a Prince and Princess of the United Kingdom who basically are Americans who have practically never stepped foot in the country, let alone are going to do anything of value for the UK as adults and whose gruesome parents will merch them with all their might. I hope new Letters Patent are drawn up that only George’s children will hold titles and that they must be educated, reside in this country and as adults actually represent and work for the UK or titles are automatically removed, basically only working royals should hold any titles, this nonsense needs to stop.

There are lots of articles at the moment . It’s not exactly a slow news time so not sure why so many things are being brought up .
I do wonder if there is some big expose coming ? I did read that Tom Bower is writing a new book . Also South Park are doing a twerking episode !
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-14753175/meghan-markle-tense-women-event-exit-Fiji.html

I think that the polo match was a clear signal that something was seriously wrong. When has Kate ever passed up the chance of having a hold of a baby?

It was rumoured that Meghan wasn't due to be at the polo match but turned up without warning when she heard one of Harry's exes was there (can't remember whether it was Chelsy or Cressida). Perhaps there had been a huge row and Kate was keeping out of it.

Or perhaps this was another pap stunt that Meghan had arranged and Kate didn't want to be part of it.

Lilibet's birthday part was just another H&M PR and attention seeking stunt IMHO. They hadn't lived in the UK since before Lilibet was born so none/few of the royals had ever met her. They announced it at the last minute, bang in the middle of the Queen's Jubilee weekend events which had no doubt been booked months, if not years, in advance. William, Kate, George and Charlotte travelled to Wales in the day of June 4th, the whole RF were booked for the evening concert and then William and Kate's family did a scouting Jubilee event on the Sunday.

If attending the polo match was a last minute decision, that might explain the god awful tent she was wearing. I can understand wearing something like that just after giving birth but you can’t go to a polo match like that. I think it’s a really good point about Kate not being seen holding the baby. It’s kind of the natural thing to do when you are with a new mum, just to try to give them a break. It was also obvious from the photos that there was little warmth between them.

Yes, I was thinking more of it being H's wish rather than M's and that once L and A are older they might be allowed to get to know their wider family. Rose-tinted possibly.

To be fair to the Clooneys, they were Markled very early on. I think they genuinely thought they could become friends with them.

Then Meghan placed a cringe article with a trashy magazine claiming Amal was "obsessed" wirh her and called her every day; gave Scobie details of the layout of their house in Italy; and pressured George (at least twice) to put out supportive statements* when M was getting criticized.

• just like they tried with the Sentebale chairwoman

Personally I think once the late Queen’s cousins have gone then their should be letters patent removing hrh from the York princesses, the Edinburgh dcs already don’t use them. Limit to George’s dcs only and in future the heir only.

The HRH is an easy one without even mentioning the Sussexes. Bearing in mind William seems to prefer William it would be easy to limit the use of HRH to official duties representing the crown. Is would be pointless trying to strip the Sussexes as it will just create more victim mode and legally how could it be enforced in the US if they continued to use it. If the monarchy only used it for state occasions it would look stupid for them to use.

I don’t like to see pictures of the kids when they’re doing something private but I’m a hypocrite because I did enjoy those pictures at the polo. Just seeing them hanging around the back of their car eating snacks out of a cool bag. I know they have staff to pack the cool bag blah blah but just the normalcy of it and seeing the ease of them just hanging out together was really nice. Yes I am a sap!

Lilibet's birthday part was just another H&M PR and attention seeking stunt IMHO.

They reportedly brought Lili to meet the Queen with their own photographer or film crew in tow to record the moment, and were told No. As anyone could have told them they would be. No way was the Queen going to let herself be used in a cringey 'Lilibet meets Lilibet' photo spread. (Plus she was probably saving her strength for the balcony appearance.)

And the Cambridges (as they then were), the Tindalls et al wouldn't want to risk their children similarly being used. Must have stung when Louis not Lili turned out to be the star of the weekend!

IMHO, W should grey rock and let the sands of time grind down H&M.

I am not that fussed about the titles...no one takes Prince Mario-Max seriously. And H&M are laughed at in the US for using titles in a Republic and that was before the "No Kings" protest marches.

Without the trappings of royalty, the titles will weigh H&M down over time, and time is not on their side. Media is biased to youth as youth sells. Once G turns eighteen, in a scant six years, all media attention will shift irrevocably to his generation. And H&M have lost three of those six years to the reality Presidency that is sucking up all the oxygen from the US media landscape.

I remember the claims years ago that part of the fall out with William and Kate was that Meghan was caught taking photos of the Wales kids bedrooms, I thought at the time it must be a load of rubbish surely no one would invade privacy like that but I started to wonder if it was true when they took photos inside Buckingham Palace when they shouldn’t have done, she (they) clearly have no respect for other people’s privacy so I wouldn’t be surprised if this was true. It’s strange Meghan has stabbed the knife into Amal and Victoria, I wonder why them and not other A listers?

Unless the security people present ever speak up I reckon the Fiji market thing will stay in the pile of "things we'll never know", @mylovelygreendress

I'd usually give a newly pregnant woman the benefit of the doubt, especially given the heat and humidity, but of course that's harder to do with someone who's caused offence to so many

I am not that fussed about the titles...no one takes Prince Mario-Max seriously. And H&M are laughed at in the US for using titles in a Republic and that was before the "No Kings" protest marches

No one takes Prince Mario-Max seriously because he doesn’t belong to the most high profile royal family in the world, he doesn’t make worldwide headlines which bring the Head of State and country into disrepute on the world stage. Unfortunately people do take Harry and Meghan seriously hence the Columbia and Nigeria faux royal tours, their connections to the Aspen Institute just for starters, it’s a completely different playing field to some random European Prince that most people have never heard of.

I don't think she has ever tyrned on Amal, like she did with Victoria; I think it was more that the Clooneys faded on H&M after a series of poor behaviours.

I'd usually give a newly pregnant woman the benefit of the doubt, especially given the heat and humidity, but of course that's harder to do with someone who's caused offence to so many

Yes, when it happened I assumed she'd suddenly felt dizzy or nauseous and needed to get out quickly, which would be understandable. That was before all the other stories about her behaviour started to emerge. And then the interview on the S Africa tour.

I see your points. But H&M's visibility is a double-edged sword as their fall from grace is easily witnessed.

Take the Nigeria trip. H&M were ghosted by the Head of State. And when the Nigerian delegation went to Invictus, several members of the Nigerian delegation were not granted entry into Canada, embarrassing the Nigerians.

And in Columbia, where the duo was also ghosted by the Head of State, that trip delivered the infamous kiddie table photo. And when people commented on the cost of the OTT security, H&M announced a donation of drums and were roundly mocked.

As H&M's grey rocking period extends politicians, who are notorious for knowing where their bread is buttered, will follow suit. California does not offer any quid quo pro to compensate politicians who host these grifters in getaways to their countries. No money, visas, palace dining, and as H&M age, no media coverage either.

IMHO, there is no need to give oxygen to drama queens. Grey rock, and the world will inevitably follow over time as politicians worldwide see that there is nothing H&M can do for them.

I hope you are right @My2cents1975 the problem with H&M is they won’t go quietly, this drama is going to continue for years, probably with a high profile public divorce at some point, the children being merched from now onwards and being groomed by their awful parents to try and outshine George, Charlotte and Louis, it will never stop in some shape or form, the titles give them leverage and status, I think if the titles were removed it would go some way to putting a stop to this nonsense, they can continue being the grasping greedy grifters they are without the kudos of British titles.

It won’t stop. A royal reporter admitted a year ago that interest won’t wane. People love to hate them.

The reasons for coverage would switch to. Brother of the King, cousins to the heir etc

Very delusional thinking from Harry.

The only thing H&M can hope for is well adjusted kids.

Take the Nigeria trip. H&M were ghosted by the Head of State. ... And in Columbia, where the duo was also ghosted by the Head of State

Some quiet work in the background by the FCO, perhaps.

the children being merched from now onwards and being groomed by their awful parents to try and outshine George, Charlotte and Louis

Which they never will. They will never be seen driving in a carriage procession down the Mall, or appearing on the balcony, or taking part in a Coronation, or in future years in full evening dress (with tiara, if appropriate) attending a State Banquet.