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Wine, apricot spread and honey. I think we've had all the suggestions for names already ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14832085/amp/Meghan-Markle-new-products-rose-wine-apricot-spread.html

Well. Indeed.✳

What expectation will be put on his children? They live in America and don’t even know his family. The titles mean nothing in the US. They can live a normal life if they want to. Which is more than Williams children will be able to do.

It would have to be extreme dynamite - like here’s the DNA test to show that William fathered a child with Pippa type thing. (NB I don’t believe William has fathered a child with Pippa.) I doubt there is anything damaging enough but who knows.

The Queen’s support of Andrew went down very badly. I think any attempted rehabilitation of H+M has similar risks attached.

I can imagine that H wants his father to fund their school fees though!!

Is there something particular we don’t like about ‘this woman’

And there we have it. Another poisonous fan of Meghans showing us who they are by bringing racial hatred into it. And yes, we know that’s what you meant but we’re too cowardly to say out allowed.

This board is full of threads regarding Harry and Meghan and it would be quicker for you to read the threads and see why we’re not enamoured of them than it would be for us to tell you.

God, all this over some fucking wedding clobber.

Agree. Harry explicitly uses Charlotte and Louis in Spare to say he worries about them living the life of a spare. So why, after "escaping" would he want his children to go back into the RF to live the life of spares?

@NormaMajors1992coat I agree, I don't think it would be positive PR for William at all. IMO it would make him look weak and easily manipulated.

In the same way QE2 was viewed as weak in regards to dealing with Andrew, and frankly KC3 too. All those stories about him asking Andrew to vacate Royal Lodge and Andrew just refusing, and still letting him pop up visibly at random family events. Everytime it happens it allows criticism of the RF. We see it here - usually from supporters of H&M.

William may reconcile privately with Harry, but I don't think it would ever be publicly unless H&M very publicly and profusely apologised for their behaviour - especially towards Catherine. William appears to be pretty strong minded and independent (choosing University, his choice of wife from outside the expected aristocratic fold, independence in choosing his focus - not just carrying on eg The Princes Trust etc).

Because he's realising that not being an official top royal is a disappointment, and there's far more money and kudos for the kids of they're HRH. Those children will not be allowed to grow up non royal. No way..

The RF would be absolutely daft to reconcile with Harry & Meghan imo. I think they've gone past the time to keep them close. Any proximity to Harry & Meghan raises the possibility of more negative stories for the RF. As it stands it looks like H&M have exhausted their source material.

Interesting to see exclusives in the MoS this morning about Harry planning to 'extend an olive branch' by inviting K&W to Invictus 2027

That's interesting.

Rumour has it Invictus is losing sponsors and donors at an alarming rate.

I assume the hope is that the prospect of senior royals attending might drum up fresh funds or draw a few backsliders back into the fold..

Yup. That's it at the heart of it. A petty issue magnified by someone with Disney Princess delusions who didn't like being in a Minor* role and who was incredibly thin skinned (but then I think most actors are very vulnerable and thin skinned).

*In their eyes, because it's still a pretty fecking Major role viewed by anyone else.

I think when the king dies, Harry will not be short of money. But that could be a long time away so he’ll have to find money from somewhere.

Then hopefully we will be allowed to say that Harry is a massive fucking hypocrite. Without Sussex loving republicans twisting themselves into pretzels about "birthright" and "no choice but to be royal".

Harry seems to think they can decide to be working Royals !
Why would he want that for his beloved DC when he and his wife couldn’t hack it ?

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Brilliant image! I still don't know why anyone calling themselves republican could support ultra royals like Harry and Meghan. An enduring mystery.

Now if only the had decided not to use titles, or want HRH on passports then you may have a point but instead they've choosen the royal route, for them to be royally in a republican country, have told the world the children need security and have planned their futures.

Agreed.

They've had a tough enough time with the Andrew optics. Can't see them willingly saddling themselves with another huge liability.

That said we won't see the Henry's on their uppers. I think and have done for a long time they're still receiving financial support on the sly and will continue to do so.

Yes, I strongly suspect that the Bank of Pa won't close any time soon. Apart from anything else, Archie and Lilibet are grandchildren, so Pa will want to help them.

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Exactly! It just shows they never wanted to stop being working royals. The Queen rejected their half in and half out model and they flounced off. All the crap about wanting freedom etc came later when they had to justify themselves.

I have often wondered if Catherine suffers from PTSD after the trauma she must have suffered by being named as a racist, a cold 'bitch' by Meghan and Harry, the cancer diagnosis and treatment, the subsequent onslaught from Meghan fans and anti-royals about her marriage, snide remarks about her treatment and illness not being 'real' etc etc.

Meghan reopens it all again in that last podcast about the 'lies' told by the RF, the speculation resurfaces again and Catherine is pulled right back in to the whole nasty saga of the Harry and Meghan spin.. Also seeing the person who purposely and intentionally tried to destroy your family and undermine your relationships and reputation, being everywhere in the media must be sickening and triggering.

I hope Meghan and Harry are never, ever, given a centimetre of an olive branch by Catherine, William or their kids. I do hope the other people who also suffered at the hands of Meghan will eventually be released from their NDA's.

DanceLaDuca · Today 10:45

I have often wondered if Catherine suffers from PTSD after the trauma she must have suffered by being named as a racist, a cold 'bitch' by Meghan and Harry, the cancer diagnosis and treatment, the subsequent onslaught from Meghan fans and anti-royals about her marriage, snide remarks about her treatment and illness not being 'real' etc etc.

Dance, I have wondered the same. I'm not a drama queen, but I don't think PTSD is an exaggeration of the effect it's had on Catherine.

It's not just a slanging match within the family where people say all kinds of things they later regret (and perhaps apologise for). It was said to a global audience, knowing full well the nuclear explosion that it would cause.

Secondly Catherine isn't just a member of the public who only has to worry about the effect such a character assassination has on her family and friends.. She has a high-profile role and (whatever anti-monarchists think) will eventually become a VERY high-profile world figure. To tarnish - or actually destroy - her reputation like that was absolutely wicked, I think. No other word for it.

Now, the late Queen said that although she herself loved the Commonwealth, she knew that some nations would want to leave, and that was fine. (I think some have left and re-joined, actually). The Commonwealth may well have run its useful course as a post Imperial gentle transition system, I don't know. But as it stands, the RF still have to deal with the member countries and what H & M said has made it extremely difficult in some cases. I think they knew exactly what they were doing, yet some silly posters on here who perhaps don't see the implications for foreign relationships, wonder why they come in for criticism.

Also, if you think the Commonwealth is bad, wait until Russia or China (who have an interesting in fomenting trouble in these countries to destabilise the UK and the West in general) move in and take over.

I think Meghan knows very well what she's done...I'm not so sure Harry has joined the dots.

As ever is a front for data mining. In the meantime, Meghan has fun playing at being a founder and posting on Instagram. A new product teased every few weeks, like the wine on Friday, people sign up, and the emails go to Snow, the fulfilment Co,pony she has contracted with.

I have to admit I’d be both surprised and disappointed if the RF brought H&M back into the fold.

I can absolutely appreciate @GiveMeSpanakopita’s point about “better to be in the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in” but personally I feel like that ship has long sailed. H&M have thrown so much dirt, said so much over the last 5 years.

What more can they really have to say, to do damage? And in that time, their brand has become so tarnished, their reputation so damaged - they’ve been exposed as being bullies, grifters, liars, hypocrites - Harry’s been accused of misogyny and racism and treating charities like his personal plaything. And my sense is that we’ve only scratched the surface of what may yet be revealed, through the charity commission investigation into Sentebale and what may come out about Invictus.

I can’t see what the RF would have to gain from publicly aligning with them, it would appear that they condone and support their behaviour, and that would reflect poorly on the RF (in the same way it does any time Andrew is seen pictured at family events.)

Perhaps if there was a climb down from Harry, and he apologised for his behaviour and the hurt he’s caused - that could be different. But he’s shown zero signs of remorse or any self reflection so far.

That said, I think polite indifference and cordiality at a distance makes sense - Harry is the one talking about putting swords down - but he’s fighting with himself. It’s not in the RF’s interest to appear to be in a battle against them, so I’m sure they’ll always play the long game.