No titles for Peter & Zara Phillips

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I've watched a few documentaries on Princess Anne recently, she's had an interesting life. I particularly liked "Princess Anne: The 7 Loves of Her Life". (On Youtube)

I keep hearing about how clever she was to ensure her children didn't have titles, so they wouldn't be burdened by being 'working royals' and have more freedom in life to pursue their own goals. This in part was because Capt Mark Phillips apparently refused an Earldom when they married, so no titles for their kids to inherit down the male line.

But I can't help thinking of HRH Princesses Beatrice & Eugenie. Titled as fuck, but I can't see how it's stopped them pursuing free lives and doing whatever they like. Both had careers of sorts, Beatrice in tech & Eugenie in fine art, whilst jet-setting & holidaying around the world before choosing partners and having children. They don't seem to be 'working royals', they just pop up at family events much like Peter & Zara do.

So what's the difference? If Beatrice & Eugenie carry any burden it's their misfortune of having such dodgy parents- nothing to do with their titles?

Yes they already announced and claimed that privilege, rather hastily too!

Yes. They automatically became prince and princess when Charles became King. It's how it works.

great post.

“Zara’s got somewhere to exercise the horses”
”Oh?”
”Yes-Gloucestershire.”

Tindalls, Phillips and Yorks are all grifting chancers.

Bea and Euge get marginally more scrutiny as 'blood princesses' 🙄but all are worth a double-take.

The most Peter and Zara could be was Lord or Lady if their father had not declined a title, which I agree probably wouldn’t have had much impact on them

This isn't correct.

The Queen could have bestowed HRH's and Prince/Princess titles if she wanted and Anne had accepted.

That is exactly what happened with the Queen's own children. When Charles and Anne were born they weren't automatically entitled to HRH or Prince/Princess as the grandchildren on the female line. George VI issued letters patent to make them so.

The daughters of Princess Louise (Maud and Alexandra) were given the titles Highness and Princess by their grandfather Edward VII in 1905 at the same time as he made their mother Princess Royal.

They can pretty much hand out the HrH's and Prince/Princess as they wish with Letters Patent (public opinion may sway how often they would).

American does not equal the media will report you as bossy, difficult and rude. The moniker “Demon Duchess” came from the US media so how is M’s Americanness an issue in America?

American publications (Hollywood Reporter and Vanity Fair) reported that MM bullied employees and caused employees to leave and seek therapy. When you have negative reviews on both sides of the Atlantic (H wrote in Spare that employees were crying at their desks, reflective of a bad work environment) maybe the issue is not being “American”.

IMHO, this does not equate to C’s media harassment where she was routinely physically impeded while simply walking to her car with grown men yelling slurs in her face to get a reaction shot…harassment so severe that footage was used by H&M in their Netflix reality series.

Yes this was my understanding- the Queen could've given Zara & Peter HRH titles if she wanted to and Anne accepted.

Not having titles certainly hasn't hurt them. They both absolutely cash in on their royal connections via sponsorships and advertising deals. I guess Beatrice & Eugenie wouldn't get away with that. And I suppose that's why the Queen wasn't going to have Harry & Meghan making money using Sussex Royal and their HRH titles. Still, it's a fine line.

AFAIK the Queen did offer to give Peter and Zara titles but Anne turned it down?

It's believed so.

Same with Princess Alexandra's husband and their children. It's known they turned both down.

Seriously?

This post was about a major issue, women being targeted again while men are let off. A huge issue in society, which may seem insignificant but feeds into the narrative of lesser, which allows for small acts of control and power over women, and ultimately leads to acceptance that male violence against women just happens.

And your comment ignores all that, and says actually Meghan does deserve it.

Fuck me these threads are screwed up.

Maybe it was more about the attitudes of their parents than the titles. Andrew is lazy bigger and Anne doesn’t seem to be as much.

Not sure where you think you read that?

Andrew has always been spectacularly entitled. Probably jealous of Charles for being the eldest son same as Harry is with William. Harry turned out to be equally entitled wanting the prince and princess!

Anne has always been down-to-earth, practical and a grafter. Like chalk and cheese.

But she didn't offer to make them HRHs. They were offered the same thing that Princess Margaret was given: that their husbands would be given an earldom so that the children would have titles.

Zara now flogging clothes and boots for Fairfax and Favor.

Is there any reason why she shouldn't?

She's had a successful professional career and a lot of her commercial work is related to that rather than her royal status. She is married to another successful sportsperson.

She does not have a title.

She has never been a working member of the royal family.

She doesn't head up her work with "Zara, daughter of the Princess Royal", or "Zara, niece of the King" or "Zara, eldest granddaughter of the late QEII", does she??

She has never dissed her family in public.

Good for her I say.

I've no problem with Meghan hawking whatever she wants to, though it's a far cry from the lofty heights of 5 years ago, the "hitting the ground running" in the RF that she was going to revolutionise! It's tawdry and tacky, not to mention demeaning to her husband, the King's second son. It's just not very royal. OK, Fergie has done it, but she isn't royal and hasn't been for years, no matter her associations. Whatever. Do it without the 'Duchess' title.

The thing is, neither the Tindalls nor the Phillipses receive any funding. They have to earn a living for themselves. The Yorks are a whole different kettle of fish but Andrew was on the Civil List until he fucked up.

Anyone in this world who has 'connections' uses them, which could be the primary school teacher whose mother teaches in the school they have applied for a job in (the nepotism in my children's otherwise-excellent primary school was actually embarrassing!) If you had 'connections' that might help you get on (I will avoid saying, "elevate"!), wouldn't you use them too?

Sadly I have never had any. I've not so much as had a spark in the family to avail of mate's rates.

@mainecooncatonahottinroofWhat do you mean Zara Tindall has had a successful professional career? As what? She had successfully monetized her royal connections and her sporting achievements (10 years in the past now)and no reason IMHO why she shouldn’t-although I thought royals weren’t supposed to- but professional career? Really?