Harry v NGN 2

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I don't think we're done talking - and I never start threads!

As you were!

I suspect he's got bigger issues to deal with right now post VF article.

Anyone know when the RAVEC hearing is ?

Nope, that has nothing to do with it. Sherborne is not likely not a KC because he’s not popular with existing KCs. Or he has never sought it (but that seems a little unlikely).

Also, on Prince Charles’ comment that Harry’s phone hacking case was a “suicide mission” - Harry did in fact lose that entirely. All the phone hacking allegations had already been struck from his claim because he was out of time to bring them. The case he settled on Tuesday was about other intrusive and illegal information gathering methods.

Antone know why there was a request for NGN to apologise to The King?

April was suggested in another thread

@elessar

"This thread is a relief - glad to see the avalanche of H&M fans seem to have lost interest, as the last one was almost unreadable. "

They tend to pop up in the late afternoon and evening for some reason.

I've not read all of the previous thread as it seemed to degenerate into some late night arguing, but my thoughts overall are:

1. This wasn't a victory for Harry, it was an embarrassing climbdown
2. Once his costs are taken out he won't have much new cash from the payout left
3. NGN admitted nothing they didn't admit and sort before
4. Justice Fancourt made it very clear that he looked very askance at Harry's fucking around, disrespect and grandstanding
5. Schillings are claiming a huge victory because they make their money from wealthy famous clients who use litigation and lawsuits to silence unfavourable media coverage (hello Elton John!). Their indiscriminate use of injunctions and other muzzling practices has long been excoriated by Private Eye - because press freedom is important
6. You shall know a man by the company he keeps. Tom Watson is a deeply unpleasant individual, well known for his bullying, who supported Paedophile fantasist Carl Leech who is now doing 18 years, having ruined the final months of life of Lords Brittain and Bramell

All in all, mucky and embarrassing and very expensive for all concerned.

And what's worse, it won't even help them get better press coverage! The US media has decisively turned against H&M and will be much more aggressive than the UK press, who still maintained an element of respect for the royal status of Harry. It's almost impossible to muzzle the US press due to first amendment - you can sue after a piece is published but you can't do an injunction.

So basically, a highly expensive pissing contest and Harry's trying to claim he's won, thinking we can't see the wee stains on his trousers.

Great post @GiveMeSpanakopita 👏

I'm also a bit surprised that we haven't, at the very least, had a pompous sepia toned statement from the Office of the Duke and Duchess.

He will be limited in what he can say by the terms of the settlement, but he can certainly crow about 'victory' and 'vindication' in a more general manner. Tom Watson gave a speech on the courtroom steps so presumably no reason Harry couldn't have done something similar, either in person or in writing. It is a bit strange that he's not publicly basking in his great 'victory'.

It’s pretty evident from these threads that Harry would be criticised negatively for making a statement and criticised negatively for not making a statement.

As opposed to being criticised positively?

So what though? Are you saying Harry makes his decisions based on comments by random strangers on an internet forum?

He received an extra $500,000 in US dollars (I read it in Forbes).

I think what happened was, he was awarded the first payment for the 15 claims (those selected for trial), then after the trial he received the added amount for the claims that weren’t selected for the case.

My point was it was reported he did well in the two days he testified in the Mirror case. I was responding to a pp who opined that Harry probably wanted to avoid giving testimony in the MGN case and that was the reason he settled. He didn’t avoid it the first time so I doubt that was a factor. Although it would still be gruelling, he had experience.

I really don’t think it is about the money for Harry. I think he wanted, and needed, to prove they did what he said they did.

From what I’ve read Murdoch’s lawyers are very very expensive and costs mounted to the point he had to settle or risk losing big financially even if he won the case.

Ah, I’ve found the Forbes article. Forbes - Harry - Mirror

Well said. All those who so desperately want him to shut up should be pleased surely?

If not, why do you keep saying it.
Baffling

No I am saying it appears to be absolutely untenable when posters have the temerity to disagree with the echo chamber.

And fyi criticism is neutral ie the concept of literary criticism. It can be positive or negative.

Yep.

I think the more fervent forelock-tuggers won’t be satisfied till his head’s on a spike

I really don’t think it is about the money for Harry. I think he wanted, and needed, to prove they did what he said they did.

If you are talking about the NGN case then he's failed. The case never went to court, so by definition, nothing was proved or even examined.

From what I’ve read Murdoch’s lawyers are very very expensive and costs mounted to the point he had to settle or risk losing big financially even if he won the case.

But he must have known that for months or even years.

So why did he make his grandiose statement only last month?

“They’ve settled because they’ve had to settle. So therefore, one of the main reasons for seeing this through is accountability, because I’m the last person that can actually achieve that.”

He didn't achieve that. He may have got a hefty pay out and an apology, but he did not reach his own stated aims.

if you are talking about the NGN case then he's failed. The case never went to court, so by definition, nothing was proved or even examined.

Failed?! Come on....admit that there's never been such an apology before admitting illegal practices.

I know you want to look at it as a complete failure but the majority of the media worldwide don't agree with you.
Neither do I.

If you are talking about the NGN case then he's failed. The case never went to court, so by definition, nothing was proved or even examined.
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If you see one of my posts further back you will
see that I acknowledged that some people feel he didn’t win.

And I don’t know why Harry said what he said late last year. You’d have to ask him.

I’m not here to defend everything Harry says and does. I made that clear in an earlier post.

Exactly, so many comments time and time again how they should go live quietly, shut up, stop making statements, stop talking. And now there isn't one bang on cue the comments start...why hasn't he said anything.

Lol it's hilarious. What do you want from him? To shut up or not shut up. Make your mind up

Again, I'm taking people at their word and dealing in facts.

NGN's statement and apology admitted to no liability. There was no court case, so the poster to whom I was responding was incorrect in saying anything was proven. It was not. I'm not sure what 'illegal practices' you are claiming were admitted to.

I'm not going to get dragged into your attempts to make this personal or to put words into my mouths. I'm not saying it was a 'complete failure'. I am saying that nothing was proven in a court of law, and it is simply false to claim otherwise.

That is something I would like to know.

Would some of the Harry detractors on here, the regulars ..answer the question..

Do you want him to make a statement on the result of the court case. Yes or No

It's a simple question and could put this aspect of it to bed once and for all

Justice Fancourt also expressed his frustration at Murdoch’s lawyers trying to ask for more time. Just last week I think it was. It was directed at Hudson.

Both sides managed to annoy Fancourt at some point.

Have you read their statement?

Failed?! Come on....admit that there's never been such an apology before admitting illegal practices.

News International, as NGN was formerly known, issued several public apologies about illegal evidence gathering actually.