Harry v NGN 2

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I don't think we're done talking - and I never start threads!

As you were!

It's gone quiet on expectations for an apology.

It is always possible that he's looking for a face-saving ladder to climb down, and so is trying to get something, anything from the JR appeal that could be used in that way.

But it's just as possible that he's perfectly happy where he is, accepts that his demands for an apology will not be met, and is continuing with this case because he really believes that it is important that UK's security policy on how close protection is assigned really is that important

It was still a very significant pay out which held them to account.

It may well have been a significant pay out, but that is nothing new and could probably have been attained months if not years ago.

However, since the case was settled out of court and no liability was admitted, I'm not sure how anyone was 'held to account'?

@ProjectFailed Yes, I think you are right.

Paying to Archwell is tantamount to keeping the money. The foundation is registered in Maryland and only 5% needs to go to charities.

Initial reports (on Monday morning) were that costs were £38m. I can't imagine their combined wealth is anywhere near twice that. As his wife, she would be jointly liable for any debt incurred, if they could not actually pay it outright. I can imagine she had a firm opinion on how to proceed.

@Rhaidimiddim Which is fair enough; I'd feel the same in her shoes!

Well if he didn’t do it for the money , he should donate it to charity . According the Sussex supporters they are multimillionaires so they don’t need the money .

With an estimated 10 to 20 million he can definitely pay for his own ( and family) security if he chooses to visit the UK.

The judge was pretty clear that both sides were being obstinate and should have settled a long time ago.

"I think I am a pretty balanced person and the attacks here when you express your opinion are galling"

I'd like to think that, given the OPs statement, I can say that I am delighted that Harry and Tom Watson won their case.

Whilst many wil l consider it's not a win,there has never been such as fulsome apology ever.
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My theory is Harry refused to turn up for the trial because of the hair optics: if I worked for the Sun (which secretly I’d love to do despite all the evil), I’d be working up a “Is Harry’s hair-raising trial a follycle? Battle of Bald vs Bouffant” angle

I'd like to think that, given the OPs statement, I can say that I am delighted that Harry and Tom Watson won their case.

They didn't 'win their case'.

They settled outside of court and accepted money in return for dropping the case. So there was no 'case' to 'win'.

Whatever you want to think. Even the British media (some) are praising him

I'm pleased for him

Eh?

It's not what I 'want to think'. Unless you can point out what is factually incorrect about what I wrote above?

No 'case' was 'won', as you suggested. The case was dropped in return for a financial settlement without admission of liability. That's a fact, not my personal opinion.

Good for him

Exposure matters

Have you read their statement? Well worth a read.

It's a win in my book

You can of course disagree. That's fine

Eh?

You're moving the goalposts. It's not about 'disagreeing' or 'opinions'.

Whether this out of court settlement was a 'win' for either party is open to debate, and indeed it has been debated over the past day on the other thread.

But what I wrote above is factually correct. Harry and Watson did not 'win their case' because the case never went to trial. There was no 'case' to 'win'.

Even the Kardashian's deserve more respect than Harry and Meghan. At least they haven't lived the life of locusts off the taxpayer and don't (as far as I know) betray each other by selling stories on their family. They don't denouce entire nations (who paid out millions on their frivolity) as racist. And I'd be suprised if they were pathological liars to the degree that Meghan is, or bitter and angry to the degree that Harry is. And considering their huge fan base, they must be capable of portraying themselves as likable to a degree - Meghan is so inept at her own craft that she can't even act like she's a decent person.

Ok you win

But I am delighted with the grovelling apology from ole Rupert Murdoch's newsgroup

That's a win for me

You can consider it what you want

If I were Harry I'd be setting some of remainder after costs aside for any costs he might have to make if he loses the RAVEC case ( which I assume is a straight win or lose - not one for a settlement - or indeed id drops it would he still be liable for costs )

I can see why Harry would think of NDN as a win - he got it back in the news and his mother (I think) was mentioned in the apology but yes I am not quite sure what he has substantially done which Hugh Grant et al did not achieve at the time.

Ohhh I remember – didn’t he also issue a press release saying he was flying straight over? Then spent less than 45 minutes at Clarence House, presumably with about 44 of those spent being berated by Charles about all the press releases. He does seem to have calmed down since then, though possibly because no one tells him anything anymore.

And in fairness I can’t fully remember if he issued a release or if his people were asked if he’d visit and they confirmed. I do remember it was all very dramatic and hasty, only to be met with a metaphorical “New phone, who dis?” at CH.

He does seem to have calmed down since then, though possibly because no one tells him anything anymore

I have wondered if the reason we hear less whining about the RF from the two of them is partly because they are now completely out of the loop 🤷‍♀️

And half of the big players from Meghan’s time in the UK are now dead, everyone’s changed roles and palaces and staff. They’ve not got expert insight because it’s all changed. It’s like when you revisit your old uni town and no longer know where the good kebabs are

Agreed. Harry doesn’t really seem to have grasped that things have moved on a great deal since he left. He keeps trying to drag up perceived injustices from his and Meghan’s time in the RF, but there has been a lot of water under the bridge since they made their dramatic flounce stage left. They seem stuck in a Groundhog Day

Absolutely! No criticism of her from me on that point.

After last night's bun fight I should like to point out that it is possible to be both pleased for Harry & critical of him at one and the same time.

That he was wronged by NGN cannot be disputed and their wrongdoing was of a particularly unpleasant, underhand and creepy kind. So Harry was most certainly due an apology and compensation and I'm very pleased for him that he received both.

However some of his statements regarding this case have been very foolish. The hubristic dragon slayer stuff was guaranteed to invite ridicule as was his “I'm the only man who can save the world” kind of attitude. Happily though this unfortunate grandiosity did shrivel just at the right moment when he was faced with reality & £££s .

The matter is now completely closed for NGN; they got the settlement they wanted which prevented Harry getting his day in court and no matter how many millions were paid in compensation it will be just like the small change down the back of Murdoch's sofa. So I suspect they are more than happy with the outcome.