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Harry v NGN 2

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mainecooncatonahottinroof · 23/01/2025 00:40

I don't think we're done talking - and I never start threads!

As you were!

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Donttellempike · 24/01/2025 22:07

MrsFinkelstein · 23/01/2025 10:13

Thanks for the new thread OP.

I'm not a hater, I don't have particularly strong feelings about Harry (or Meghan) unless you count amused irritation and zero respect as strong? I view them now akin to the Kardashians.

As I said on the previous thread, I'm glad he got the public apology and got the settlement. My personal feelings are that because Harry made the approach to NGN about settling is that the settlement will be substantial but not groundbreaking. Hugh Grant had a much stronger case evidentially than Harry so I think a bit more that Hugh's but at the lower end of the figures bandied about.

The real winners here will be the lawyers frankly. Certainly financially.

Both sides can claim a victory of sorts. NGN didn't have to go to court and Harry didn't show systemic illegality at a corporate level Not a clear win for either, more and insipid draw???

I for one will miss the chance of hearing Harry on the stand mourning the loss of his relationship with Chelsy Davey once again. 😭

It was a clear win for Harry.

NGN for the first time admitted illegality. And they did this to avoid revealing details inCourt of their behavior as an organization.

If Harry had settled for money he would not have done it at the literal door of the court when all the costs have been incurred

Mylovelygreendress · 24/01/2025 22:08

Jacquette · 24/01/2025 22:00

This.

Did you see the threads early last year ?? Where’s Kate ? Depending on who it was she was either in a coma , dead or had fled from William who was beating her up .
Ot the ones where posters were I dusting William was having an affair .

Serenster · 24/01/2025 22:10

Jacquette also obviously missed all the posts condemning William for being paid off by Murdoch and taking secret hush money from him in a dodgy deal…because William also settled his claim against NGN.

Jacquette · 24/01/2025 22:12

You shall know a man by the company he keeps. Tom Watson is a deeply unpleasant individual, well known for his bullying, who supported Paedophile fantasist Carl Leech who is now doing 18 years, having ruined the final months of life of Lords Brittain and Bramell

You shall know a man by the company he keeps

In your opinion does that go for the King too?

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 22:14

Andtheweaselgoespop56 · 24/01/2025 12:29

It’s pretty evident from these threads that Harry would be criticised negatively for making a statement and criticised negatively for not making a statement.

Nonsense. I'm glad he didn't!

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Jacquette · 24/01/2025 22:19

Serenster · 24/01/2025 22:10

Jacquette also obviously missed all the posts condemning William for being paid off by Murdoch and taking secret hush money from him in a dodgy deal…because William also settled his claim against NGN.

I condemn William for settling.

But I do wonder at the hypocrisy of those people who so objected to William being criticised for settling now having a go at Harry for the same thing.

The police have now asked for the transcripts of the pre trial hearing so I’m just going to wait and see what comes of that.

Serenster · 24/01/2025 22:22

Let’s see if you get banned then, Jacquette! I’m guessing not. 😀

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 22:24

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/01/2025 14:42

And if people posted similar comments about William or Catherine, they would be quickly banned.

Don't be daft!!

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MrsFinkelstein · 24/01/2025 22:26

Donttellempike · 24/01/2025 22:07

It was a clear win for Harry.

NGN for the first time admitted illegality. And they did this to avoid revealing details inCourt of their behavior as an organization.

If Harry had settled for money he would not have done it at the literal door of the court when all the costs have been incurred

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Can you point out in this where they admitted illegality?

Do you know the difference between unlawful and illegal?

Harry v NGN 2
mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 22:29

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/01/2025 14:46

@Atlasvue Harry won. He got a massive settlement and a public apology and as far as anyone knows, no NDN.

Why don't you understand, that a settlement is not a victory?

Can't you get it through your head that nobody wins when there's a settlement?!

You're waxing lyrical at how horrible posters are being about Harry when all we are doing is discussing facts? All you do is wrongly dispute those facts!

It was massive for NGN to avoid all of the exposure they were going to get through the court case, so arguably their net gain was as much if not more than Harry's?

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mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 22:31

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/01/2025 14:49

@IcedPurple presumably you also think William lost his case against NGN then? He settled. I have read that he settled for a million pounds.

Nobody loses a case that's settled!!!!

What part of that is too difficult to understand?

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mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 22:34

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/01/2025 15:07

And look up the equal pay claim in Birmingham that I refer to. It is widely described as a win for the claimants.

I and others will continue to refer to Harry's settlement and public apology as a win.

You carry right on, because you're making a right fool of yourself.

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mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 22:39

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/01/2025 15:29

@Atlasvue A superfan of who?
Do you see me on other Royal family threads? Np.

I have already said I followed the Leveson Enquiry closely and I have followed this NGN trial closely. The way the media acts is disgraceful. I have even explained person information about why I feel so strongly about the way the media behave.

This NGN trial is important, it matters. And although some have always presented it as Harrys case, it was actually a case that involved 39 claimants. All had to settle, before the latest settlement, even though some did not want to. Hugh Grant, publicly apologised to Harry and others for settling saying under UK law he could not risk the potential financial loss.

The media are no longer as far as I know behaving as badly as they used to with pretty routine phone hacking. But they still behave totally unethically. Talk to anyone who is a high profile victim in the news. That is why all this matters far beyond what any of you personally think about any individual. I wish you could recognise this.

Phone hacking hasn't been a thing for years.

I wish you could understand that Rupert Murdoch and his henchmen are sitting pretty having got away with everything they did. This trial changes nothing.

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mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 22:41

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/01/2025 15:34

I agree with you.
Who cares if you like Harry, William, Catherine, Meghan? The truth is none of us know these people. All we are commenting on is their public image. I might really like all of them if I knew them in real life, or really dislike them. But I do not know them, so it matters not a jot.

What matters is actually holding the press accountable. And yes I am pleased various people are trying to do this including Lord Tom Watson and Prince Harry.

The press hasn't been "held accountable" - that's the crux of the matter!

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Jacquette · 24/01/2025 22:45

Mylovelygreendress · 24/01/2025 22:08

Did you see the threads early last year ?? Where’s Kate ? Depending on who it was she was either in a coma , dead or had fled from William who was beating her up .
Ot the ones where posters were I dusting William was having an affair .

Yes I did see them Mylovelygreendress.

I thought they were awful.

And some posters currently posting here made it clear how awful those accusations were. The mainstream media also stirred that pot with sly articles about another woman and articles that William has a temper, before retreating and saying ‘oh no? It wasn’t me’ and set about scolding the social media who they had stirred up and put a fire under. That was very devious. The whole thing was a disgrace.

Such a pity that some of those same posters who rightfully objected to the nasty gossip of early last year, and the mainstream media (again) are now talking blithely about the state of Harry’s and Meghan’s marriage, making up and spreading gossip & rumours about Meghan in particular. Also known on here as the stuff that ‘polite people don’t talk about’ apparently. It’s awful.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 22:45

JoyousGreyOrca · 24/01/2025 15:39

And truthfully I fail to understand why so many of you are defending NGN who have hounded lots of innocent victims over the years all to get a good entertainment story. That includes making up things. NGN have admitted they made up a story about Lord Tom Watson.

I hope none of you are ever high profile victims and experience exactly how the media operate and how they do behave unlawfully, unethically and make things up. And how there is no real consequence for doing so.

This is why Tom Watson and Prince Harrys settlement and public apology is massive. And they are both saying they are going to carry on campaigning to stop the media behaving in these terrible ways.

Can you actually read???

Not one poster has defended NGN one iota!!

I can't actually believe someone would be so completely lacking in comprehension! It's baffling!

How have they stopped or how do they propose to "stop the media behaving in these terrible ways"? This case was their opportunity and they bottled it.

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mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 22:46

jeffgoldblum · 24/01/2025 15:41

Tom Watson again, the Tom Watson who in the say so of Carl beech ( now incarcerated for pedophila and wasting police time ) used his position to accuse his opponents ( including a man on his deathbed with cancer ) of being pedophiles in parliament.
Upon investigation the police discovered that all the men were completely innocent but discovered that Carl beech wasn't.
He has never apologised.

Tom Watson is not someone I have any respect for, after what he did.

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MrsFinkelstein · 24/01/2025 23:05

Jacquette · 24/01/2025 22:45

Yes I did see them Mylovelygreendress.

I thought they were awful.

And some posters currently posting here made it clear how awful those accusations were. The mainstream media also stirred that pot with sly articles about another woman and articles that William has a temper, before retreating and saying ‘oh no? It wasn’t me’ and set about scolding the social media who they had stirred up and put a fire under. That was very devious. The whole thing was a disgrace.

Such a pity that some of those same posters who rightfully objected to the nasty gossip of early last year, and the mainstream media (again) are now talking blithely about the state of Harry’s and Meghan’s marriage, making up and spreading gossip & rumours about Meghan in particular. Also known on here as the stuff that ‘polite people don’t talk about’ apparently. It’s awful.

I'm not making up any rumours. I'm discussing statements and actions of the Sussexes and articles about them in reputable publications. The same as I would about any celeb if i chose to.

I ignore the gossip on SM.

Extiainoiapeial · 24/01/2025 23:10

Bottom line is...some posters cannot bear to see the word 'Harry' and 'win' in the same paragraph

I will stop using the word 'win' and instead refer to it as a 'significant legal victory' which is echoed in a lot of the press.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 23:13

Andtheweaselgoespop56 · 24/01/2025 16:49

I didn’t say it was specifically through the Sun’s coverage. I said iI would be very interested to know about any further alleged involvement by Rebekah Brookes or not. .

I then referred to a very interesting set of circumstancial evidence backed up by journalists other than just myself.

First that close friends of Rebekah Brookes, who gave her the most support during her trial, were the very journalists who wrote and said the vilest things about H & M?

Remember the vile misogynistic words of Jeremy Clarkson about MM being paraded through the streets naked, published by the Sun in December 2022, which was criticised by the Press Standards Committee for spreading "dangerous conspiracy theories and misogyny"

That is not just making stuff up!

Also that Camilla is a known friend of Jeremy. That is not making stuff up. That is widely reported.

Also that Camilla invited Jeremy and Piers to a press lunch the day BEFORE the launch of the last three episodes of H&M Netflix doc.

And the day AFTER Jeremy wrote the vile article.

It’s all backed up here in this Independent article.

The timings are interesting!

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/camilla-jeremy-clarkson-piers-mogan-lunch-meghan-b2248431.html

That’s not made up.

After that I left it for everyone else to draw their own conclusions about why Harry felt so bull-dozed.

I didn’t accuse Calilla directly, it was you who did that, I merely laid out the evidence that is publically available to date via Google.

Was there any association between Camilla, Morgan and/or Clarkson during the time period related to the actual case?

Rebekah Brooks used to be married to Ross Kemp. Do you want to tie him up to this conspiracy theory too?

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mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 23:21

Jacquette · 24/01/2025 22:19

I condemn William for settling.

But I do wonder at the hypocrisy of those people who so objected to William being criticised for settling now having a go at Harry for the same thing.

The police have now asked for the transcripts of the pre trial hearing so I’m just going to wait and see what comes of that.

Do you condemn Harry for settling then, or just William?

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mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 23:22

Extiainoiapeial · 24/01/2025 23:10

Bottom line is...some posters cannot bear to see the word 'Harry' and 'win' in the same paragraph

I will stop using the word 'win' and instead refer to it as a 'significant legal victory' which is echoed in a lot of the press.

What - that same press you are up in arms against? eg NGN.

Refer to it using whatever word you like, it won't turn a settlement into a victory!!!

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sleepwouldbenice · 24/01/2025 23:26

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 22:41

The press hasn't been "held accountable" - that's the crux of the matter!

No
It's a matter of opinion, and scale

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 23:34

sleepwouldbenice · 24/01/2025 23:26

No
It's a matter of opinion, and scale

Really...

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Extiainoiapeial · 24/01/2025 23:40

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 24/01/2025 23:22

What - that same press you are up in arms against? eg NGN.

Refer to it using whatever word you like, it won't turn a settlement into a victory!!!

Not all media is NGN you know..