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smilesy · 05/12/2024 16:17

I thought the inquiry was launched in March 2021 and was leaked as a result of staff who felt they had been bullied feeling that it was unfair that the Sussexes had complained to Oprah about how unfairly they were treated, giving those who felt they were bullied no voice 🤷‍♀️

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stripeyshutters · 05/12/2024 16:21

@Maddy70 and what about her fashion business?

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JSMill · 05/12/2024 16:38

Behaving in a less than pleasant manner isn't acceptable but it is not the same as bullying. Bullying is targeted and persistent. It's often subtle and low key eg little digs to undermine someone's confidence. My ds and my close friend have both left their jobs this year because of workplace bullying. It's horrible and bullies usually get away with it because it is hard to prove.

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 17:23

Moonlightstars · 04/12/2024 23:21

It could but I don't pay for those 2 out of my taxes!

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But you would be if David was president!!

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 17:29

CarmelaBrunella · 05/12/2024 07:29

I would agree with you, @BettyBlueSky . I think she was a very good addition. I actually don't think that she wanted to leave. She thrives in that sort of role, being in the public eye, promoting issues. She could have continued.
She could have had a bit of time out and returned full throttle.
I think the fault is with Harry. He wanted to leave but didn't have the courage. Meghan had bad MH problems. She had suicide ideations when pregnant, and instead of getting her help, he made her dress up and go to an event.
I think he manipulated the situation for his own ends. He loves being a prince. How about being a prince in a mansion in California with no checks and balances on his activities and behaviour? Ker- ching.

Of course she didn't want to be stuck in the RF! In retrospect, it's so clear! She wasn't going to kow-tow to more senior members of the family and she wasn't going to hang around meeting boring members of the public (see garden party following their wedding).

Then there was the reported comment, "I can't believe I am not being paid for this!"

She could have been a "very good addition" but that was not where her ambitions lay. She wanted to use the royal tag for traction in Holywood. Where did they end up? Surprise. And when did they tee up the Oprah interview?

And how do you know Harry made Meghan dress up and go to an event? I very much doubt Meghan is a lady that anyone can easily "make" do anything!!

There's none so blind as will not see.

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 17:33

Toffeecrispforever453 · 05/12/2024 08:21

Were the bullying allegations proven? I would never defend bullying of any sort but I can also imagine that there might have been a potentially cataclysmic clash of styles and culture shock involved too

I know everyone will now bring up the Hollywood Reporter piece but that was literally in a gossip column.

I have no idea what happened between the sils but if you read Mumsnet threads ion the Relationship board, it’s a pretty common antipathy.

And as mentioned on this thread or another, KC and PW annually earn £20 million each from their Duchies, so M perhaps could be forgiven for thinking that it was rather hypocritical for her to receive criticism for wanting to make some money out of her role, when Charles and William make plenty?!

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I am pretty damn sure, if the investigation had exonerated her, it would have been published... draw your own conclusions!!

Meghan and Harry were hardly paupers within the RF either!

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 17:36

Toffeecrispforever453 · 05/12/2024 08:38

Yes but as mentioned below, the allegations appeared in a gossip column within the industry publication.

And the American who raised the issue may allegedly have their own reasons for doing so?

It’s perfectly possible that M’s style of doing things may be blunt and abrasive, as that is what she may have been accustomed to in Hollywood. But women in archaic institutions are sometimes called bullies when men in the same position are called “motivated and decisive”.

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"Blunt and abrasive" is never a good way to treat staff, and I don't give a damn about the cultural background! It's bullying and it's totally indefensible!

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 17:38

Toffeecrispforever453 · 05/12/2024 08:42

Great post! Totally agree with the sensible approach point. The RF could have come to an agreement with Harry if the will had been there. Sadly, for one reason or another, it seems there was not,

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Wasn't the late Queen a total see you next Tuesday to her beloved grandson?!!! Not! Far seeing and insightful lady. She knew this pair was going to be trouble and she was right.

They did come to an agreement btw, just that Harry didn't like it because he didn't get what he wanted!

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 17:41

Toffeecrispforever453 · 05/12/2024 10:17

Jason Knauff works for Earthshot doesn’t he? As such he is still firmly in William’s camp and is hardly an unbiased source.

https://earthshotprize.org/people-partners/board-of-trustees/

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Oh clearly then the man is partisan and of no integrity!!! Did he work for Earthshot then, or did he just have a front row seat at the time for the Meghan and Harry circus?!

Jesus the bullshit on this thread. Can't have been easy for the man to raise this issue regarding one of his 'principals'!

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 17:47

CurlewKate · 05/12/2024 11:54

It it entirely possible to not be a Meghan supporter but also feel she has been unfairly treated in some areas and has been the victim of some pretty vitriolic press harassment. But the Cambridge Clique will have none of it.....🤣

Whoever the 'Cambridge Clique' might be... I've only ever heard of the Sussex Squad....

Does it ever occur to you that some people aren't in league with either 'side' - that we're just better at analysing the facts in the public domain alongside the bounds of possibility within the information that emerges from various sources?

I've seen some pretty damn vitriolic stuff aimed at Kate and William too, but then the SS "will have none of that"...

Pot, kettle?

I don't think anyone should be targeted with vitriol but facts and deeds speak for themselves.

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 17:51

Toffeecrispforever453 · 05/12/2024 12:19

IMeghan well well be peremptory and have an unfortunate way about her but I find it odd that she worked for so long on Suits, involving long hours and long series, and there were as far as I know never any stories about her behaving poorly there. It’s only sînce she became involved in the BRF that this accusation of bullying has been alleged against her. So I find that interesting.

And I think you are on slightly dodgy ground there talking about abuse of power! I mean; why does it only apply to M and and not the RF themselves?

The RF supposedly do good things but there is lots of dodginess going on in the background concerning preferential tax laws, carrier bags of cash and didn’t Prince Philip famously have a shocking temper? Princess Margaret and Prince Andrew could be shockingly rude by all
accounts? Why do they escape scrutiny?

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These days probably because two of them are dead. They have all come in for plenty of criticism over the years and you must have been hiding under a rock if you haven't seen it. How the hell do you think they "escape scrutiny"????

I find describing bullying as "having an unfortunate way about her" beyond contempt.

Have you never met anyone in life who seemed quite ok while working at a certain level then turned into a tyrant once promoted?? I have, plenty of them!

CurlewKate · 05/12/2024 17:56

@adriftinadenofvipers "I've seen some pretty damn vitriolic stuff aimed at Kate and William too, but then the SS "will have none of that"..."

I have too, and I object to that as well. But I genuinely don't think it's in the same league as the attacks on Meghan. But happy to be proved wrong-personally it would be the Madame Guillotine for the lot of them if I had my way! Cambridge Clique is an alliterative coining of my own, btw.

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 17:58

Toffeecrispforever453 · 05/12/2024 13:09

That’s rather the point isn’t it?

There have been many reports and rumours over the years about Prince Andrew’s behaviour to servants who don’t put the teddy bears back on his bed in the right way and his swearing at security guards when he crashed his Range Rover returning home one night.

Prince Philip was on camera swearing at a photographer and was well known for his temper. King Charles is reported as being rather petulant and has demonstrated this on camera. I’d be interested to know how they behaved off camera for example.

There are many examples of Princess Margaret’s haughty behaviour in various biographies.

Someone working for Harry’s enemy (his brother William) instigated a bullying enquiry against Meghan, which was then conveniently leaked to The Times.

The RF aren’t likely to instigate a bullying enquiry against members of the family who are “in the fold” are they?

My assertion is that if they were looking in to Meghan’s behaviour then they need to scrutinise everyone in the institution, which seems fairly reasonable to me.

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I think you need to stop pontificating before you check out a few facts!!

Jason Knauf worked for William, Harry, Kate and Meghan! William and Harry were not "enemies" until William had the audacity to express concern that Harry was moving way too fast with a woman he barely knew, and whose behaviour was questionable!! From then on it was all, "what Meghan wants, Meghan gets" and to hell with everyone else!

An "independent review" was announced in 2021!!

I am sure if sufficient complaints had been made into anyone's behaviour, they would have been investigated. It was Meghan's behaviour that was investigated, not anyone else.

So if someone made a complaint about me, should the rest of my non-complained of colleagues also be investigated???

For christ's sake!!

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 18:00

EdithWeston · 05/12/2024 12:45

I'm beginning to think that both Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister should be on the school curriculum - part of PSHE? Wet day breaktime viewing?

Or repeated on prime time regularly (possibly in the run up to every general election)

Dated? Yes in some ways. But people who aren't familiar with how this country is run (constitution, responsibilities, limits, opportunities) or with diplomacy/international relations could easily pick up a lot that is still directly relevant without really realising it

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I'm beginning to think some people ought to stick with 'Watch with Mother' (showing my age lol!) and not get involved with something they just don't understand!!

wonderingconcerned · 05/12/2024 18:00

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 17:36

"Blunt and abrasive" is never a good way to treat staff, and I don't give a damn about the cultural background! It's bullying and it's totally indefensible!

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Agree - this same poster continues to minimise the exprience of multiple separate victims of bullying by MM by suggesting its a "clash of styles and culture shock" (even though its still happening now in Hollywood!) as well as "blunt and abrasive" style.

They then go on to attempt to rubbish the credibility of the publication by saying this was reported in a gossip column when in fact it was an investigation and write up in the Business section of a highly regarded industry journal. The editor doubled down with a follow up interview the next day. There would have been no stone unturned from a legal risk analysis prior to print.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/hollywood-keeps-quitting-prince-harry-meghan-markle-1235996963/

Work place bullying destroys lives and livelyhoods - anyone attempting to dismiss and diminish the testimony of those impacted needs to look into their own soul.

Would you work for Harry and Meghan? Ex-employees say run away.

Why Hollywood Keeps Quitting on Harry and Meghan

Plus, how an Echo glitch turned Alexa into a “commie operative” and Dimitri, the million-dollar maitre ‘d, rides off into the Sunset (Tower).

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/hollywood-keeps-quitting-prince-harry-meghan-markle-1235996963

Lampzade · 05/12/2024 18:02

stripeyshutters · 03/12/2024 23:53

Ouch that's got to touch a nerve for the Sussexes ! I did notice that VB was respectfully dressed as was only right for the occasion.

Why would the Sussexs give a hoot.?

wonderingconcerned · 05/12/2024 18:06

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 17:51

These days probably because two of them are dead. They have all come in for plenty of criticism over the years and you must have been hiding under a rock if you haven't seen it. How the hell do you think they "escape scrutiny"????

I find describing bullying as "having an unfortunate way about her" beyond contempt.

Have you never met anyone in life who seemed quite ok while working at a certain level then turned into a tyrant once promoted?? I have, plenty of them!

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I find describing bullying as "having an unfortunate way about her" beyond contempt.

Missed that one - yet another apologist / minimisation attempt for MM bulling behaviour. Why are the experiences of the (at least) 12 staff impacted not accurate?

Mylovelygreendress · 05/12/2024 18:07

@adriftinadenofvipers

“Have you never met anyone in life who seemed quite ok while working at a certain level then turned into a tyrant once promoted?? I have, plenty of them!”

Yes ! The woman who was promoted to lead our team and who disliked me and a couple of others on sight . Made the last year of my working life absolute Hell. So bad that I retired 2 years before I originally intended .
To outsiders she was young, bright and beautiful. To those of us in her firing line she was a nasty bully.
I felt sorry for those I left behind.

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 18:07

Toffeecrispforever453 · 05/12/2024 13:32

For clarity, and for those who purposefully wish to misinterpret my words to boost their own dodgy arguments … I never ever said that the victims are doing it for commercial gain.

I said the people who were reporting it had financial incentives.

If Meghan bullied someone in BP then I would hope it was dealt with professionally, which means an enquiry should have been carried out by an independent body, in a transparent way.

I find it highly dodgy that an enquiry was leaked about and not announced, and then the results weren’t forthcoming, And that the instigator works for Prince William. And everyone accepts that interpretation as the truth!

That is what I am saying. But it suits certain people on here to deliberately misunderstand.

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I think you are one of those who "deliberately misunderstands" tbh. You are coming at this from a position of very little comprehension.

As for your comment, "I said the people who were reporting it had financial incentives." - commercial gain is pretty much the same thing.

You have totally dismissed the notion that there are any people of integrity out there. You are so twisted up in trying to make whatever spurious 'argument' you are trying to make!

Lampzade · 05/12/2024 18:08

Don’t some of you get bored with starting these endless threads bashing the Sussexes ?
Meanwhile the Sussexes are out there booked , busy and still married
I know it’s cold outside but some of you need to get outside and touch grass.

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 18:10

Mylovelygreendress · 05/12/2024 18:07

@adriftinadenofvipers

“Have you never met anyone in life who seemed quite ok while working at a certain level then turned into a tyrant once promoted?? I have, plenty of them!”

Yes ! The woman who was promoted to lead our team and who disliked me and a couple of others on sight . Made the last year of my working life absolute Hell. So bad that I retired 2 years before I originally intended .
To outsiders she was young, bright and beautiful. To those of us in her firing line she was a nasty bully.
I felt sorry for those I left behind.

@MylovelygreendressI have literally watched it happen so many times - people that I previously liked and respected turned into someone I didn't even recognise when they got a bit of perceived power in their hands!!

Marrying into the RF is a pretty big 'promotion'!!

I am sorry you experienced that - I think I've seen you speak of it before. I've also experienced bullying several times in my working life and it makes your entire life a total misery. I despise bullies and their apologists.

Sometimes I'm glad I didn't go further up the greasy pole because I wouldn't have been able to turn into someone I'm not!

Mylovelygreendress · 05/12/2024 18:12

Lampzade · 05/12/2024 18:08

Don’t some of you get bored with starting these endless threads bashing the Sussexes ?
Meanwhile the Sussexes are out there booked , busy and still married
I know it’s cold outside but some of you need to get outside and touch grass.

Don’t some of you get bored with endlessly defending poor behaviour and lies by the Sussexes?
Meanwhile the Sussexes are still married but not sure about the booked and busy !
I have snow outside so can’t touch the grass .

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 18:13

Lampzade · 05/12/2024 18:08

Don’t some of you get bored with starting these endless threads bashing the Sussexes ?
Meanwhile the Sussexes are out there booked , busy and still married
I know it’s cold outside but some of you need to get outside and touch grass.

Have you been smoking some?

You always seem to pop up with your snidey little remarks.

Don't you get bored with the "endless" threads? What are you doing here then if you are??

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 18:16

CurlewKate · 05/12/2024 17:56

@adriftinadenofvipers "I've seen some pretty damn vitriolic stuff aimed at Kate and William too, but then the SS "will have none of that"..."

I have too, and I object to that as well. But I genuinely don't think it's in the same league as the attacks on Meghan. But happy to be proved wrong-personally it would be the Madame Guillotine for the lot of them if I had my way! Cambridge Clique is an alliterative coining of my own, btw.

I've never seen Harry accused of having killed Meghan, or battering her? Have you?

Yeah, I guessed it was a 'cleverly coined' little phrase from your own head because nobody else uses it.

adriftinadenofvipers · 05/12/2024 18:20

Toffeecrispforever453 · 05/12/2024 13:59

What? I’m not obfuscating. I think that’s you! You are the one bringing unrelated sex offenders in the mix not me!

Can you expand and specify on how these people have gained commercially?

You can’t understand how a newspaper makes money by writing stories?

Can you explain why MM when alleging the BP bullying allegations were a 'calculated smear campaign' and following the bulling expose in THR has not sued for defamation?

No, Can you? Maybe she tried but couldn’t prise enough information about the enquiry out of BP? Because, you know, it was all done in secret?

The only statement I can find from BP was that they were concerned by a report in the Times of claims that Meghan had driven out two personal assistants during her time as a working royal, while Kensington Palace staff had been “humiliated” on several occasions.

They went on to say,

“Accordingly our HR team will look into the circumstances outlined in the article. Members of staff involved at the time, including those who have left the household, will be invited to participate to see if lessons can be learned.”

Harry and Meghan queried the timing of this statement stating it was suspicious as it went out just prior to their interview with Oprah; another one with a commercial interest btw.

The Guardian at the time reported that,

”The source acknowledged that a direct accusation of responsibility against the palace by the couple had been clumsily phrased, but suggested “people in the royal orbit” were responsible for the timing of the story – and claimed it was intended to create scepticism over Meghan before the high-profile interview to be aired on Monday.”

Good to discuss both perspectives I think. If that qualifies as obfuscation in your mind then I can’t help you I’m afraid.

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From the level of understanding displayed throughout this thread, I think your "help" is something we could all do without, thank you.