I for one am glad the royal family are starting to edit their photos

[Springingtosprimg]

Some things are better edited…

Is that the queen mother with the queen and margaret?

Yep, some things only benefit from being manipulated 😂Good thing they didn't try to change hair or eye colors though, that would be wild!

OP, could you give fuller information about the first photo? Caption, source etc?

Thank you.

Can't really comment further since I don't know what I'm looking at. It's incredibly fuzzy and while the children do resemble QEII and PM, the adults are unfamiliar - definitely not QM or GVI.

I ask because it has the look of one of those lookalike fakes which were popular a few years ago, where the photographer cleverly found amazing lookalike models. No-one in that first picture is quite right.

So provenance would be great!

The photo of the Queen Mother and girls has been in the public domain and acknowledged for years.

Being pro Nazi was v popular in the 1930s upper class.

Many British poshos supported Hitler. See also Edward & Wallis.

@CoffeeCantata

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33578174

Thanks Zingy!

But who is the man in the background? That woman doesn't look like the QM and who is he?

I'm guessing, from the child who we assume is QE2 (born 1926) that this can't be later than about 1931/2? Can't remember when Princess M was born, but she looks no older than 18 months.

I'm no Nazi (worked with Holocaust survivors for a while), believe me, and I'm not condoning any trivialisation of Nazism, but this would be before Hitler came to power (1933) and most certainly before the anti-Jewish policies had been developed and implemented (1935 onwards - and it was still not widely known at that point).

So not good, but please - not in the same category as a decade later when it was all too clear to even the most ill-informed person just how evil the Nazi regime was.

There's a famous Vogue fashion plate of a model doing a Nazi Salute in the very early 30s - Franco in Spain and Mussolini in Italy hadn't yet shown their full intentions and it was seen as rather chic. You don't need to tell me how ironic and awful this it - I'm just pointing out that hindsight is a fine thing and you have to consider what people at that point in time knew and what they didn't (which we know now).

The article says the film is from 1933 or 1934. It is the Queen Mother and the man who later became Edward VIII.

Damn...just searched Google for the Vogue photograph, which I have in a book about the history of Vogue, but can't find it online. I guess Vogue feels a bit embarrassed about it now!

My point is simply that a lot of people though the fascist salute was rather chic in the very early 30s - it doesn't necessarily mean they're evil - just not very well-informed and silly.

Are we happy to consider the royal family silly and uninformed?

the article says it's Edward VII - later duke of windsor.

Zingy - but it doesn't look anything like Edward VII (at that time, PoW and an extremely handsome but dim man). Neither does the woman resemble QE the Queen Mother, but hey. I do find it weird for that reason. Check out contemporary photos of them both.

Springingtosprimg - Well, some perhaps, and some not. Just like a lot of other people at the time. I don't think you can generalise.

I hope I wouldn't have been doing a Nazi salute for fun in the 1932, but which of us can say for certain that we wouldn't?

Sorry - I mean Edward VIII, not the son of Queen Victoria!

Not just the upper class either! Labour's Nye Bevan (founder of NHS) made several statements in support of Hitler and his socialist employment/wokrers rights policies in the early days (before Germany got all bellicose and started invading places)

The more I look, the more bizarre that b/w photo becomes.

Zoom in and have a close look -does anyone agree that they are wearing blobby clown noses? None of them look like themselves to me, but I think it's because they've put on some kind of joke nose - like the ones people wear on Red Nose Day.

Totally weird...

It's been acknowledged by the royal family as being a legit photo.