Palace considered putting Charles in as Regent as the Queen's health declined

[mamma65432]

https://uk.yahoo.com/style/palace-considered-putting-regent-throne-233044947.html

So it could have really been a possibility and could do again in the future, if William was King before George turns 18 then Harry would be (according to the rules) Regent for George.

I think both would have been hard to endure brittle

I am lucky enough to still have my mam. My mam lost her mam a lot sooner. It will be hard regardless.

Charles has had his mum for so long and she was so ever present in everything he did, it would have been a terrible loss for different reasons.

I don’t think grief can be quantified although I appreciate the added responsibility that he must have felt with regards to negotiating the pain of his children. It must be horrible to see your children in such awful pain.

I don’t know about that responsibility. I can imagine that it would be beyond heartbreaking.

But I’m not sure that the loss of a beloved mother wouldn’t be as hard for him.

Just different.

Some posts on here are absolutely ott.

However nasty is nasty.

Or those posters ‘sticking the boot in’ could equally just claim “'I’m just telling as I see it. You might not agree but it's my opinion”

Same but different.

We made allowances for Harry at the time. I’m sure if Charles was still blaming everything on his mother’s death we’d be side eyeing him. I know Harry was young when his mother died, but as pp have said, so was William. Maybe it’s time for Harry to put on his big boy pants and take responsibility for himself. Not a popular opinion I know but if we all wallowed around and felt sorry for ourselves for every negative thing that happens, and didn’t try and move on, the world would grind to a halt. Plenty of people manage to do so and it’s not “nasty”to point this out

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I do think of William but he's a different person. He's still only 40 though. He might be like my dad who hardly ever showed his.emotions but internalized it but he caused himself health issues.

He has taken responsibility for his own life hasn't he? He doesn't appear to be sorry for himself. He looks content enough to me. He's moved away and his own little family .

I am sure that the plans for the death of Charles and William include a provision that should George be under 18 a new regency act will be required.

Now it is unimportant because George is not the heir and there is time to sort something out.

It would be preferable not to have to take emergency steps when he ascends and not to have a potential power struggle so I expect that as they did when Queen Elizabeth ascended to the throne with a underage heir they will consider it at the point they have an underage heir.

There is no point getting into it now as the situation may be very different in say five years time.

Regency doesn't have to follow the line of succession, that is just the default if no alternative is specified. The government can do what they think best in the circumstances, as they did in 1953 when the idea of Princess Margaret as Regent was worrying so they appointed The Duke of Edinburgh.

What is done is likely to depend upon many factors, popularity, relationships, public opinion, age of George and age/health of possible regents.

They could specify a joint regency or several alternatives.

I think if William reigns first then Catherine as Dowager Queen would probably be a no-brainer as regent but if William predeceases Charles a joint regency between Catherine and Edward or Anne (more likely Edward due to age) would be likely.

Luckily it is all theoretical though!

From what I've read it wasn't exactly that the Government thought Margaret was worrying as a Regent but it was HM Queen Elizabeth who wanted her husband to have that position and Margaret agreed with her, ministers were concerned at the time that it was controversial - there's an article on the Telegraph website about it.

Around the same time she also "granted Prince Philip "place, pre-eminence and precedence" next to herself, a position normally reserved for the Heir to the Throne".

But I thought you wanted us to “make allowances” for him. If he’s moved on and taken responsibility for himself then we don’t need to 🤷‍♀️. I disagree that he doesn’t feel sorry for himself though. There is the constant whining that other people (his brother, his father, the men in grey) have made his life difficult. Maybe they have, but whingeing about it isnt going to solve it.

How many negative threads are started about him or Meghan. Maybe be kinder about it.

Some.of us want to know about the men in grey suits. It's interesting to hear about it.

However when was the last time he talked about them since Spare.

I lost my father when I was 14 and he was 52 but was able to grieve in private not like the princes. I lost my mother when I was 61 and she was 99 and it was a totally different sort of grieving process - we all knew her end must have been near and we celebrated her full life while mourning her absence. I'm hoping the Queen's great age might have made Charles' and his siblings' loss easier to bear than William's and Harry's.

It’s not being unkind to point out that Harry should move on. Harry had my sympathy and “kindness” when his mother died, but that was over 25 years ago. You yourself were less than kind about Charles by saying he had people stepping to help him with the admin when his mother died (which of course is true) without acknowledging his feelings. I appreciate that Harry was traumatised when his mother died and I felt desperately sad for him and William at the time. I also acknowledge that he hasn’t said anything for a while about the men in grey suits etc, but I suspect that is because it has been realised that people were getting tired of hearing about it, rather than him not wanting to say anything

Be kinder may work both ways. But it is always but ‘what about’ and tit for tat for some.

Having a pop about Charles having it easy and not having to worry about anything admin wise when his mother DIED wasn’t kind. Perhaps true but certainly not kind.

I concede he didn’t have to ‘worry’ about time off work but he chose to do a broadcast acknowledging his loss and the loss of the Queen. Some may not care that she died. Many did though. He chose to do that when he was breaking his heart because he felt it was his duty to.

This thread is about regency and therefore yes, about death and all it brings to the monarchy and in turn the difficulties it may present.

I still think it wasn’t kind to have a dig - even though it was vaguely related to the thread. It was simply unnecessary.

But it (the ‘oh but what about’/pointed digs) happens on other threads. When it is absolutely nothing to do with the thread.

And even though H&M have many, MANY, nasty comments that are unjustified and way over the top in nastiness, even observations about behaviour or actions which have been questionable/worthy of comment (him especially so it seems) they are shouted down with the same whataboutery/digs and attacks and accusations.

Always with the pokes. If not about those they clearly despise then it is personal. And that isn’t right.

We all know that.

And it doesn’t have to be that way.

But here we are.

Again.

I don't think Harry has done an interview in a year has he? so anything attributed to him in the press is probably just made up by them to get people clicking and with respect its getting a bit dull to some of us now.

I think, although I may be mistaken, that some perpetuate these types of posts because they enjoy the drama/adversarial/combative.

It is tiresome when it is never ending.

And again, it really doesn’t have to be that way when there are interesting points to discuss.

So ‘maybe be kinder’? Absolutely.

Maybe stop the unnecessary poking? Again. Absolutely.

The thing is that people keep.saying that Harry should move on. Ok but isn't it time everyone moved on. I hate Boris Johnson. I actually affected by life as I followed the government rules and didn't visit my friend with brain cancer only to find out that piece of shit was partying. He has messed this country up so badly. I could start thread after thread about him. He's still in this country poncing off the state even getting.us to pay his legal costs and secuirity..

I find it really odd that people complain about Harry not moving on when they're stuck themselves. He's left the country.

No are you telling us what we should say. I find some of these posts genuinely spiteful and I respond to them.

This thread is about options for a Regencies; how close we came to one as the late Queen neared the end of her life and future options should one become necessary in the next 8 years.

I don't think any member of the RF has done an interview on this - in a year or indeed that I can ever remember (awaits correction!)

No are you telling us what we should say. and Boris

And here again with the wee poke and the whataboutery.

I am telling no one what to say. I am telling those who say maybe be kinder to be kind themselves before preaching at others to do likewise.

Commenting on a spiteful comment should be absolutely encouraged. No one has said that shouldn’t be done. It is, however, possible to respond without being spiteful in return.

It is also possible to make a point without the whataboutery.

Start yet another thread about Boris and there will be streams of posters agreeing with you. Say all you like.

But what about Boris/Covid isn’t pertinent on a regency thread - however it is spun.

And derailing and whataboutery and pokes are what ruin discussion of the subject matter.

It isn’t often I have my point proved so quickly so thank you for that.

@EdithWeston I know what the thread is about - I started it and personally I think its more interesting if it remains on topic there are plenty of other Boris / Harry bashing threads out there.

I will express myself how I want. I'm on the spectrum so it's different.

It is different and I appreciate that. I know how difficult it can be.

It is also different though how it is only others who have to be kind. It is recognised how others aren’t kind to H&M but not personal attacks to posters or pokes at anyone else in the RF.

Absolutely different. Thank you for that also. I understand.

Thank you for this message.

This covers the same information as the Telegraph article about Philip becoming Regent and the Governments doubts but its not behind a paywall.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1213481/royal-news-princess-margaret-queen-elizabeth-ii-prince-charles-regent-spt

Very interesting, thank you @mamma65432 . It just shows that the regency has always been under consideration and discussion. I thought it was interesting that they didn't want to be seen to be sidelining Margaret, and that consideration had to be given to the possibility of both Elizabeth and Philip dying together.
I understood that senior members of the royal family didn't travel together. I can see why.

Give me an hour or two - that article sounds grand but time is not my friend this afternoon/evening. And the snow ain’t helping! Back in a bit and thank you for posting it mamma 👍🏽