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The Prince and the Press: Continuing the Discussion on Prince Harry and the UK Media

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 06/06/2023 10:12

A few weeks ago, there were three really great long running threads about Prince Harry and his battles against the UK "popular press."

I thought I would do one that looks at Harry's current court action.

For those interested in the kind of balanced view you won't get from the tabloids, all of whom face conflicts of interest, here is the Guardian take, which is the springboard for this discussion.

It is not possible to take any of the tabloids seriously when they report on Harry's legal cases. Former editor Alan Rusbridger, now of Prospect, has observed that all tabloids covering this story are acting unethically as they have not declared their conflicts of interest: Harry is suing all of their media houses.

The only papers with no conflict of interest are the Guardian, the Telegraph and the Financial Times.

So I will be following this from the Guardian live page.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/04/diana-meghan-and-the-tabloid-press-harry-finally-gets-his-day-in-court

Diana, Meghan and the tabloid press: Harry finally gets his day in court

The Duke of Sussex has made it his life’s work to change the British media landscape. He’ll get his chance this week in the phone hacking case against the Mirror Group

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/04/diana-meghan-and-the-tabloid-press-harry-finally-gets-his-day-in-court

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cobicat · 09/06/2023 08:57

Given how indiscreet Harry is, if Chelsy had in any way expressed personal support for his decision to drag her into this case you can 100% bet he would have told everyone that!

Roussette · 09/06/2023 09:03

Didn't Harry say that the case would be distressing for him and Chelsy?

I'm sure it is distressing for anyone who has been hacked and had their lives splashed over the vile media.

Roussette · 09/06/2023 09:04

All the assumptions on here are a bit ridiculous.
There is another thread with plenty of room to talk about him in the most disparaging way ever if anyone is so inclined

Howsimplywonderful · 09/06/2023 09:05

Assuming someone doesn’t want their personal life dragged out in court is hardly ‘ridiculous’ 🙄

Roussette · 09/06/2023 09:09

Howsimplywonderful · 09/06/2023 09:05

Assuming someone doesn’t want their personal life dragged out in court is hardly ‘ridiculous’ 🙄

"Assuming"

Yes. You 'assuming'

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 09/06/2023 09:10

I'm sure it is distressing for anyone who has been hacked and had their lives splashed over the vile media.

Yes I'm sure it is. But Harry has chosen to revisit it, whereas Chelsy has not.

Roussette · 09/06/2023 09:14

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 09/06/2023 09:10

I'm sure it is distressing for anyone who has been hacked and had their lives splashed over the vile media.

Yes I'm sure it is. But Harry has chosen to revisit it, whereas Chelsy has not.

Let's agree to disagree shall we? You don't know what she has agreed to

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 09/06/2023 09:18

Let's agree to disagree shall we? You don't know what she has agreed to

Yes, none of us know what she has agreed to or her feelings regarding Harry.

ArcaneWireless · 09/06/2023 09:32

“Obviously it is easier for some posters to assume she didn't have a clue about this.”

It isn’t easier. It is merely a possibility.

Just as it may be easier for some posters to believe everything was discussed beforehand. Again - a possibility.

As said, it is only an opinion.

And yes there is another thread. That doesn’t mean we aren’t permitted to have a negative opinion on Harry’s actions here.

He is neither saint nor sinner. He has flagrantly disregarded the privacy of others and is right to stand up against someone hacking into his private communications. Both opinions stand.

In all likelihood he probably was subject to it. And equally some others will have made a clarty buck at his expense and it won’t all have been down to illegal procedures.

Just distasteful ones.

kirinm · 09/06/2023 09:36

I can't understand why people don't get bored of repeatedly posting how awful Harry is. This is day 5 now?

mixedrecycling · 09/06/2023 09:36

I love the word 'clarty'!

AmarilloSunser · 09/06/2023 09:39

cobicat · 09/06/2023 08:57

Given how indiscreet Harry is, if Chelsy had in any way expressed personal support for his decision to drag her into this case you can 100% bet he would have told everyone that!

Yup

Roussette · 09/06/2023 10:11

kirinm · 09/06/2023 09:36

I can't understand why people don't get bored of repeatedly posting how awful Harry is. This is day 5 now?

Indeed. Anyone can post here, that is the nature of a forum. Just curious why some posters would prefer to post here where it is not so anti-harry than somewhere else where it really really is the opposite and where I wouldn't dream of posting! (No choice in the matter actually) Maybe echo chambers are just boring 😂

AmarilloSunser · 09/06/2023 10:18

Cos they want to

Howsimplywonderful · 09/06/2023 10:19

The title says a discussion on PH and the media ? Surely a discussion requires both sides to be considered to be a good one ?
It’s nice to do so politely and respectfully though.

Roussette · 09/06/2023 10:21

Howsimplywonderful · 09/06/2023 10:19

The title says a discussion on PH and the media ? Surely a discussion requires both sides to be considered to be a good one ?
It’s nice to do so politely and respectfully though.

Yes of course. Only on this thread though.

ArcaneWireless · 09/06/2023 10:22

The only thing I find curious is why some feel we should be on different sides and therefore threads.

All opinions are valid and as said, folk can post where they like.

Just because I choose not to eat marzipan, others could stuff their faces with it. They don’t feel the same way as I do. It stands to reason that there shouldn’t be certain marzipan eating areas just because I don’t like it.

And likewise, should some choose not to post on certain threads, it doesn’t mean that others feel the same.

Tis the nature of a forum after all.

cobicat · 09/06/2023 10:25

Given that polls/surveys suggest around 70-80% of the UK population don't approve of Harry, it's to be expected that critical views will be expressed in most discussions of his activities

kirinm · 09/06/2023 10:28

cobicat · 09/06/2023 10:25

Given that polls/surveys suggest around 70-80% of the UK population don't approve of Harry, it's to be expected that critical views will be expressed in most discussions of his activities

Nobody has ever polled me.

But regardless, there's having 'discussions' and then there's endless weeks writing and reading the same thing everyday to the same people who all agree.

How many times have people commented on what Chelsy knew or didn't know? It's been said for weeks in every bloody thread talking about the court case.

I'd hoped that this thread would avoid that but alas, it hasn't and the same people are on this thread repeating everything they're saying on the other thread.

ArcaneWireless · 09/06/2023 10:41

Equally they could just be putting across their opinion in response to posts on this thread 🤷🏻‍♀️

It has been said that maybe echo chambers are just boring.

No maybe about it. I like to read others opinions on it. I care not for some polls as the way questions are asked may influence the answer. The way some questions are answered may be interpreted differently.

Here you get to see how people feel.

Roussette · 09/06/2023 11:09

ArcaneWireless · 09/06/2023 10:22

The only thing I find curious is why some feel we should be on different sides and therefore threads.

All opinions are valid and as said, folk can post where they like.

Just because I choose not to eat marzipan, others could stuff their faces with it. They don’t feel the same way as I do. It stands to reason that there shouldn’t be certain marzipan eating areas just because I don’t like it.

And likewise, should some choose not to post on certain threads, it doesn’t mean that others feel the same.

Tis the nature of a forum after all.

Yes, exactly what I said.

Doesn't mean to say I can't be puzzled. And it's not quite as simple as that but I will not expand further.

GloriousD · 09/06/2023 11:24

I get the impression that some posters just like pitting against each other rather than the actual topic.

It seems to be pretty personal and bizarre that anyone - on either side - can get so activated and entrenched.

Just an observation of the level emotional energy expended - seems disproportionate IMHO.

polkadotdalmation · 09/06/2023 12:08

Factions pro and anti or even down the middle, aren't a hive mind. If people read the same sentiment on either side it's because different people have reached the same conclusion

AmarilloSunser · 09/06/2023 12:43

Hear hear.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 09/06/2023 13:01

ArcaneWireless · 09/06/2023 09:32

“Obviously it is easier for some posters to assume she didn't have a clue about this.”

It isn’t easier. It is merely a possibility.

Just as it may be easier for some posters to believe everything was discussed beforehand. Again - a possibility.

As said, it is only an opinion.

And yes there is another thread. That doesn’t mean we aren’t permitted to have a negative opinion on Harry’s actions here.

He is neither saint nor sinner. He has flagrantly disregarded the privacy of others and is right to stand up against someone hacking into his private communications. Both opinions stand.

In all likelihood he probably was subject to it. And equally some others will have made a clarty buck at his expense and it won’t all have been down to illegal procedures.

Just distasteful ones.

You're right anyone can post anywhere within guidelines, but it is odd when the other thread is full of posters saying how lovely it was to have the thread with people clearly in agreement about him and you have not had posters here over there much but the same doesn't happen in reverse. I mean I haven't much posted there but I could, I just thought that since the intervention from MNHQ that everyone was trying to keep respectful and not deliberately antagonise each other. But if nobody minds I can post in both and we can go back to arguing about whether he is evil or good on every thread again.