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When was Camilla anointed with oil ?

19 replies

667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 07/05/2023 12:31

Hi I’m not sure if I missed this, I was watching BBC coverage, but I didn’t actually see Camilla anointed with oil. Did this happen and if so when ? She was crowned and given the ring and touched the staff/stick lol or whatever it was but that’s all I saw.

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ShippingNews · 07/05/2023 12:37

It happened just before she was given the ring - I didn't see it either, but the commentator said she'd been anointed so I guess it happened .

Inkanta · 07/05/2023 12:38

Yes I missed it. Was oil applied on her forehead?

upinaballoon · 07/05/2023 13:25

I don't think she was anointed with oil. She is not the monarch. Only the king was anointed.
They, C and C, both took holy communion afterwards, i.e. the bread and the wine. Justin Welby said the communion prayers/s and gave communion to two women priests - one of them Rose, who was a chaplain to the late queen if I have recognised her correctly. I would need to check back. He's bound to have taken communion himself. i.e. JW, and probably some of the clergy but I wasn't paying attention to every move. I am wondering if the people who received communion were all people who subsequently handed things to the king and queen but I would need to check that out, for my own interest, when I get back from the tea party!

BeverlyHa · 07/05/2023 13:26

She cannot be annointed because she is not a head of a church. She can be just annointed with a blessing gesture perhaps etc but not in the same right as him

PurBal · 07/05/2023 13:28

She won’t have been anointed with oil. She’s not the monarch.
@upinaballoon I thought communion had to be offered to everyone when it’s celebrated, is the coronation an exception? But I don’t recall a confession in the order of service either so…

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/05/2023 13:28

According to the order of service, Camilla was anointed at the beginning of her coronation. It was not shown on the coverage, presumably because it is considered a sacred moment - but less so for her than for the King, hence no screens, but the cameras being elsewhere.

upinaballoon · 07/05/2023 13:29

Having written a message above I am wondering if Camilla received, for instance, a cross on her forehead, with the oil, as@BeverlyHa suggests, so I'll look next time I watch.

SerenadeOfTheSchoolRun · 07/05/2023 13:30

it was on her forehead only and just before her coronation. The cameras caught the very end of it but like the King it happened during some music and we had no sound for it. The wording is in the order of service.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/05/2023 13:30

Copied and pasted from the Order of Service:

THE CORONATION OF THE QUEEN

The Archbishop of Canterbury anoints The Queen and says
Be your head anointed with holy oil

667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 07/05/2023 14:03

Thanks everyone for replying, there was a few mentions of Camilla being anointed and not having a screen before the day of the coronation, but I’m guessing they didn’t televise it as @SerenadeOfTheSchoolRun mentioned. I had only intended to have it on in the background and just watch the actual ceremony but I was glued to it !

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Premiumbondbaby · 08/05/2023 00:08

@667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast you can just see the Archbishop wipe his fingers on a cloth as the cameras pan back to Camilla.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 08/05/2023 00:31

Premiumbondbaby · 08/05/2023 00:08

@667TheNeighbourOfTheBeast you can just see the Archbishop wipe his fingers on a cloth as the cameras pan back to Camilla.

I saw this too. The archbishop was wiping his fingers on a linen cloth after anointing her. There was also a brief glimpse of him and his assistants walking toward Camilla with the ampulla when the camera cut away. She was anointed, but only on her head. The King was anointed on his head, breast and hands.

ShippingNews · 08/05/2023 03:07

PurBal · 07/05/2023 13:28

She won’t have been anointed with oil. She’s not the monarch.
@upinaballoon I thought communion had to be offered to everyone when it’s celebrated, is the coronation an exception? But I don’t recall a confession in the order of service either so…

No, communion doesn't have to be offered to everyone . This was not a regular communion service , it was only for the two people involved and the bishops. I'm assuming that you are Roman Catholic, since you mention confession - no such thing in the Church of England. And yes she was anointed with the oil.

PurBal · 08/05/2023 14:01

@ShippingNews I thought it was probably because it wasn’t a “usual” service. But not RC, I’m “high” Anglican but my understanding of liturgy beyond the usual is rusty. A usual communion service that I attend include “prayers of preparation” where the priest/president invites the people to confession: “let’s us confess our sins” and then the absolution said by the priest. Info on the CofE website says: “The president at Holy Communion (who, in accordance with the provisions of Canon B 12 ‘Of the Ministry of the Holy Communion’, must have been episcopally ordained priest) expresses this ministry by saying the opening Greeting, the Absolution, the Collect, the Peace and the Blessing. The president must say the Eucharistic Prayer, break the consecrated bread and receive the sacrament on every occasion.” (https://www.churchofengland.org/prayer-and-worship/worship-texts-and-resources/common-worship/holy-communion-service) I missed the anointing with oil though, the joys of having a toddler running around!

Holy Communion Service | The Church of England

 Holy Communion from Common Worship: The Main Volume by The Church of England.

https://www.churchofengland.org/prayer-and-worship/worship-texts-and-resources/common-worship/holy-communion-service

Novella4 · 08/05/2023 14:04

@PurBal
Camilla was anointed

The cameras didn't make this clear from what I've read ( I didn't watch it) but she definitely has as anointed

CarolinaInTheMorning · 08/05/2023 15:07

I'm US Episcopalian (part of Anglican Communion), but admittedly a bit lapsed. There is a general confession in the communion service, but it is optional and often omitted during the Easter season, which we are still in, liturgically speaking. I don't know if there is a similar situation in the CofE.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 08/05/2023 15:09

The cameras didn't make this clear from what I've read ( I didn't watch it) but she definitely has as anointed

I think that was intentional; she didn't have a screen, but there was a line of clergy between her and the camera angle, and then the camera cut away.

upinaballoon · 08/05/2023 17:40

Thank you to OP and to everyone so far, who has chimed in on this one. I looked harder after I'd posted yesterday, so I'll look again, to see if I can catch the last wipeaway of oil from Camilla's forehead. ITV or BBC or both?

I looked again at the communion. JW said the prayers and consecrated the elements and then communed himself and the two women - both bishops by any chance? - Bishop Rose W....? and another bishop?. I wondered why them, but I think it was because they then carried the elements for him.

(I was looking back at footage of the late Queen's coronation yesterday, looking at Dukes making the homage. There's a little video a few minutes long. They did what William did - read from the cue card, stood up, touched the crown and the first three of them kissed her on her left cheek.)

CarolinaInTheMorning · 08/05/2023 19:40

first three of them kissed her on her left cheek

Right. These were the ones related to her: Dukes of Edinburgh (husband), Gloucester (uncle), and Kent (first cousin). I remember reading that there was a discussion of who should kiss her. They limited it to family.

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