Court Circular - Reality

[FlyOnAWing]

Court Circular goes up to the 10th of March and records royal engagements. Number of engagements are reported on and the annual number announced every year. So in 2022 Charles did 181 engagements. But what do engagements look like? Below are the engagements for the main Royals for the last 2 days available. During this time Charles did 11 engagements in two days. His average number of engagements in one month is 15. So one more day and Charles will have done as many engagements as he does in a month. He is the second hardest working Royal.

Last year William had 121 engagements, a monthly average of 10 engagements. In these two days he did 4 engagements at less than 2 hours work each day. He only has to work another three days in March to hit his annual average engagements.

10th March:
William: Attended Official Opening of the Gates of Temple Bar - about an hours work
Received Hannah Jones - 20 minutes work
Camilla: Visited ITM Power plc - about an hours work.
Charles attended the Mountbatten Festival of Music at the Royal - this is just listening to music
At that event was received by His Majesty's Lord-Lieutenant - 20 minutes

9th March:
Charles visited Ashridge House, Berkhamsted, Hertfordshire, and planted a tree - about an hour
His Excellency the Hon. Philip Goff was received in audience by The King today upon his appointment as High Commissioner for New Zealand in London - max 20 mins
Mrs. Goff was also received by His Majesty - max 20 mins
His Excellency the Hon. Stephen Smith was received in audience by The King upon his appointment as High Commissioner for the Commonwealth of Australia in London - max 20 mins
Ms. Jane Seymour was also received by His Majesty - max 20 mins
The King received Addresses from Privileged Bodies to which His Majesty was graciously pleased to make reply - 20 mins
King held a Reception at Buckingham Palace - max 1 hour
King visited the Animal and Plant Health Agency, - 1 hour
His Majesty received briefings on the work of the Agency and visited the Avian Influenza Virology High Containment Laboratory and the Genome Mapping Laboratory, before visiting the Library and meeting members of staff and scientists. - 1 hour

Camilla planted trees - 30 minutes
William and Kate - visited Hayes Muslim Centre - 1 hour
Were received by Deputy Lieutenant - 20 minutes

I know that Serenster. If that was meant for me? I have read it before

As for the link... it's the Express which I was criticised for, and it's before the Queen died.

I know it's the express. As I said it is the ONLY reference to 149 staff anywhere. So unless you have another source, it appears to be where you obtained the figure from. But the figure you quoted is wrong.

If you have a source for your figure could you post it?

I was just pointing out Roussette that when you say there’s a lot of staff, it’s worth pointing out to others, who may not know, that they cover of lot of activities also.

I also think many readers may not appreciate the large number of roles that a modern organisation needs to ensure they run appropriately.

If you have a source for your figure could you post it?

Could you post your source saying different? (Apart from Express articles saying how they want to do it all themselves! Which obviously doesn't happen)

Cosmo say they have a 'huge staff' of 7!
Cosmo

But since you posted the original claim if 149 staff, which is wrong, could you say where the figure comes from. Obviously they don't do it all themselves, but if you have a source for the 149 staff they're supposed to have, please share.

blimey. I had my arse handed to me in a plate for linking a Cosmopolitan article on one of these threads once.

7 made me laugh out loud! Do you honestly honestly think that to be true?!
Do they have none of the staff I posted about in my post of 10.58? No aides, media consultants, digital leads, comms experts, advisers, private secretaries?

You found the 149 claim in the Express. Same newspaper as you linked back to me!

I didn't say how many staff Kate and William had. You claimed they had 149. I've asked for a source for that figure.

I don't know how many staff they have - I've never said I did, unlike you, who says they have 149. I located the number 149 in the express article I linked to - it appears to be the only place on the internet where a staff number of 149 is mentioned. So is that where you obtained your information on the number of staff Kate and William have? If so, the figure is wrong. If not, could you post a link.....

If the only thing we have to do is 'say' a thing for it to be true, no worries - Kate and William have 19 staff.

You have a source. Daily Express. Same source as you linked to me? That source can't be rubbish for what I'm saying, but right for what you're saying, can it? Or can it?!

And then you link to a Cosmopolitan article saying they have 7 !!

I don’t quite understand that daily express article. In the summary paragraph it cites
the 149 figure, but nowhere I try actual
art does it mention any figure at all. Unless I’m missing something. So perhaps just click bait 🤷‍♀️

Woah! In the actual article. Nothing to do with me trying art 😂

So are you saying the express is where you got the figure from? You seem a bit reluctant to reveal your source. I linked to it because you claimed that William and Kate have 149 staff and that is, quite literally, the only mention on the www of the figure 149 in relation to royal staff. Does that make it a Googlewhack? So I linked, asking if that's where you got the figure from.

You asked me to source something that said they didn't have 149 staff. I did. I'm not the one who said they had 149 staff. I don't know how many staff they have. I don't regard the express as a particularly accurate guide to, well, anything really. But if you have a more accurate resource for the figure, I'd appreciate you sharing.

So are you saying the express is where you got the figure from?

Lordy me, how many times do I have to say it! Yes! Same source as you linked to! Express! You seemed to like it for your link.

Charles had about that number of staff when he was heir. There was that hoo haaa that after the Queen's death he was making some staff redundant at Clarence House.
No idea why William would be the exception with 7 staff lol

Nothing else to share so don't you fret. But as there are over 1,000 royal staff I doubt William as heir is coping with 7 !

The article was written in June 2022 and states:

'William’s initial wishes to continue without household staff contrasted to the life of his father, Prince Charles.

The Prince of Wales was understood to have kept as many as 149 staff, including personal staff.'

So William and Kate do not have 149 staff. It also doesn't prove Charles did either, with it's 'understood' and 'as many as'.

I didn't claim they had 7 staff. You asked me for a link to something that said they didn't have 149.

So I linked to the express article. And Cosmo. As I said, I haven't a scooby how many staff they have. But it's not 149.

How do you know without a shadow of doubt they don't have 149? You state categorically they do not. How on earth do you know this?

(And by the way, the EXPRESS article you linked was dated August 2022. Before the Queen died.)

I imagine it's at least 149 now he is heir to the throne. Look at all the staff I listed as relevant at 10.49 this morning. The Cosmopolitan article was a fluff piece. As I said, I have been roasted for linking an article from there once.

You stated they had 149 staff from reading the express article. The express article doesn't say they have that number of staff. It doesn't even really say Charles has that number of staff. You asked for something that stated they didn't have 149 staff. I gave it to you. But, I said I didn't know how many staff they had. Unlike your earlier post where you stated:

'William has 149 private staff, they do everything for him. They even set out his clothes to wear!'

You can imagine all you like, but you don't know, and quoting figures as fact when they're not doesn't help your argument. Especially with this one which is categorically incorrect because you didn't read the article properly just used it as yet another stick to beat a member of the RF with.

You can imagine all you like too!

You seem to think they exist on barely any staff. The payroll bills says different.

Don't feel you have to follow me around fact checking my posts, it must be very very boring for you !

(7 staff haha)

Well, every time you quote 7 staff, I'll be there to reiterate my point that I haven't a scooby how many staff they have and the article I linked to was at your request to source something stating they didn't have 149 staff. (Because my link to the express article from which you got your 149 figure wasn't good enough.)

I'll not be following you around to fact check your posts but golly, someone should.....

149 staff hahaha

Why is there an argument over this? Is it really that crazy they have 149 staff? It wouldn’t surprise me at all. Nobody truly believes they’re so hands on they do it all themselves with 3 residences, children and all the rest. They certainly don’t manage with 7 staff, that was their core group wasn’t it? It doesn’t seem unfathomable to me that they would have a large staff. What would stop the wondering, would be them publishing these types of things. I mean they apparently work for us, so why not tell us how many staff we pay for? Why is it a secret?

No idea why 149 is so out the realms of possibility when Charles as heir had that sort of number? And William is now heir?

Honestly... it's hardly a skeleton staff with Janice taking Thursday off to look after her GC, but Linda will come in on a Friday and pick up the slack!

I doubt it is just 149 to be honest. Bet it's more. But knowing the opacity of the RF, we won't know will we?
Of course, if it were 7, it would be publicised everywhere!

(sorry you didn't like my Express link)

Ahh, so now you're deciding they have MORE than 149 staff, with no evidence whatsoever, because it fits your narrative. Just makin' stuff up.

The number of staff isn't a secret - it's in the sovereign grant report.

I'm not deciding anything, you do make things up! More than once I have said it's cloaked in secrecy.

If William's staff is in the report, why haven't you said how many?

I think it depends on whether you're including eg palace cleaners or gardeners as "their staff" or whether "their staff" is more eg PA, nanny, butler etc.

The number of staff isn't a secret - it's in the sovereign grant report

It's not very clear but that figure appears to pertain to Civil Service equivalent grades so they would presumably be office staff. No mention of the gardeners, nannies, cleaners and the type of maid who was summoned up four flights of stairs to draw curtains for Andrew.

Well over 500 split amongst 11 working royals (four of whom are even more part-time than the rest so presumably qualify for fewer staff) is an astounding number.

@BurNishLeathEr

I actually don't expect security to be included but if it is we are talking a team of a lot more as it's 24/7 including the kids, with 5 people's whereabouts needing to be covered. As for other staff there will be far more groundskeeping staff, some only periodically etc - the newspaper wanted a sensational number so went for those who worked for them over a year, but not how many hours, it's not 149 full time equivalent! Did some digging, I'm sure I've had 25 people in 12 months do little jobs and I don't have a regular cleaner or nanny.