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Epic article

56 replies

Legrandetraitor · 12/01/2023 18:47

Anyone posted this yet? Genius

amp.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/12/i-was-alone-abandoned-with-only-a-hundred-million-in-the-bank-spare-digested-by-john-crace

OP posts:
Zone2NorthLondon · 12/01/2023 21:33

I’m avowedly a republican I won’t defend a monarchical dynasty
I will comment on the media &mn feeding frenzy of name calling & casting aspersions about H recollection of his trauma and dysfunctional family. And they are dysfunctional

rumship · 12/01/2023 21:46

Zone2NorthLondon · 12/01/2023 21:33

I’m avowedly a republican I won’t defend a monarchical dynasty
I will comment on the media &mn feeding frenzy of name calling & casting aspersions about H recollection of his trauma and dysfunctional family. And they are dysfunctional

Good for you nobody said you cannot and we're all equally allowed to roll our eyes and laugh too. Good for you 😂

Zone2NorthLondon · 12/01/2023 22:05

Are you laughing 😂 at your own post. How peculiar

Blossomtoes · 12/01/2023 23:39

That article is brilliant. John Crace is always fabulous.

jays · 12/01/2023 23:40

Alighttouchonthetiller · 12/01/2023 19:56

I'm fed up of his bloody trauma. He's causing me to be bloody traumatised.

Fabulous article. I enjoyed the 'Hakuna Matata neckace' very much.

Get a grip!

jays · 12/01/2023 23:44

Alighttouchonthetiller · 12/01/2023 20:17

Out of interest, @Zone2NorthLondon , are you writing all this from a room completely papered with pictures of Harry, torn from various publications, whilst wearing your I ❤️ Harry t-shirt and rubbing your face on Peope magazine?

Just interested, is all.

She’s writing it from a place of superior intelligence to you from what I can see!

divisionhour · 12/01/2023 23:48

Can't stand the Royals would love to see the monarchy implode.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 13/01/2023 00:13

Zone2NorthLondon · 12/01/2023 21:33

I’m avowedly a republican I won’t defend a monarchical dynasty
I will comment on the media &mn feeding frenzy of name calling & casting aspersions about H recollection of his trauma and dysfunctional family. And they are dysfunctional

This

BeaBachinasec · 13/01/2023 00:17

Very funny article 🤣 Thanks for the link, OP.

urbanbuddha · 13/01/2023 00:39

Didn't William, 2 years older, have exactly the same trauma and royal upbringing?

Not exactly the same. William had a clear direction in life and a role he accepted. He’s also more intelligent than Harry.

I think the fact that as well as Diana’s death there was endless speculation about whether James Hewitt was Harry’s father must have been very difficult for Harry, especially the teenage Harry, to deal with and he probably has really severe unresolved issues about this.

I think Harry is spoilt, entitled and completely blind to his own faults but it was a childhood like no other. Meghan too had a difficult childhood. The pity is that they found one another. Neither can strengthen the other. They just shore up their delusions.

maximist · 13/01/2023 00:48

John Crace is always awesome, but he's excelled himself today!

CPL593H · 13/01/2023 07:33

urbanbuddha · 13/01/2023 00:39

Didn't William, 2 years older, have exactly the same trauma and royal upbringing?

Not exactly the same. William had a clear direction in life and a role he accepted. He’s also more intelligent than Harry.

I think the fact that as well as Diana’s death there was endless speculation about whether James Hewitt was Harry’s father must have been very difficult for Harry, especially the teenage Harry, to deal with and he probably has really severe unresolved issues about this.

I think Harry is spoilt, entitled and completely blind to his own faults but it was a childhood like no other. Meghan too had a difficult childhood. The pity is that they found one another. Neither can strengthen the other. They just shore up their delusions.

Yes, there is the Hewitt stuff and I do accept different personalities process things, including trauma, differently. We have a family member who signed up for WW1 well underage, was seriously wounded and highly decorated. He was known for his sunny, humourous personality for the rest of his life. Many weren't and it is no reflection on them.

However, Harry presents currently as lacking understanding of any POV that is not his own and a disregard for the feelings of others. I don't doubt he needs more and better help than he has had thus far and I hope that at some point he can see that.

coodawoodashooda · 13/01/2023 07:40

It's all just such a sorry mess for all of them.

HaroldeVwilliam · 13/01/2023 07:51

@CPL593H .
Same trauma different upbringing.
Even Diana mentioned this before she died it was something that concerned her.

Funny article but I don't like the last line,it's nasty.

RiceBallsWithJam · 13/01/2023 08:13

That's a funny article. My favourite bit

He [PC] wasn’t really cut out for parenthood. More interested in his teddy. 😂😂😂

Dustyblue · 13/01/2023 08:24

Cheers OP, I've had a bad day and enjoyed every savage word of this.

Fave bit:

"Pa and Camilla got married. Of course they did. I was the Spare. So what did my feelings count? I wanted him to be happy. Sure. But not with her. Camilla flicked me a V-sign. Moments later she lit a cigarette and phoned the tabloids to tell them I’d been doing cocaine and magic mushrooms."

Never heard of John Crace, off to look him up.

CulturePigeon · 13/01/2023 13:21

I'm aware I'll get roasted alive for saying this, but I don't care! I can't stand the nonsense any longer.

It strikes me that if anyone (a man usually) had the effect on their partner that Meghan has had on Harry, everyone on MN would be saying 'red flag - LTB!' Specifically I mean the fact that she seems to have alienated all but one of her own family and he has now (after hooking up with her) done the same to his. Never mind the petty blaming and 'Kate said/Meghan said' stuff - some people can't see the wood for the trees - it's bleedin' obvious she's a toxic character.

Also, I think there's a link between the poor character assessments which seem to be at the root of so many MNetters' posts (re relationships both sexual and concerning friends) and the unbelievable failure to see right through Meghan. I know we all have a right to an opinion but how anyone could think she's a person of goodwill, kindness and co-operation, I just don't know.

I personally wouldn't trust her further than I could chuck her, but others are obviously seeing someone very, very different.

Needless to say (but I'd better be clear and say it anyway) Harry is equally culpable but he's a vulnerable dim fool and M is most definitely the brains behind the situation.

DerangedViper · 13/01/2023 13:47

Zone2NorthLondon · 12/01/2023 19:59

You know #BeKind isn’t just a phrase,it’s a behaviour a way of being. much parroted on SM and not applied.
Harry has clearly suffered trauma (mother deceased in RTA, the unique formality of being raised as a royal)
Hes entitled to talk or write about his experience, it’s his after all

Harry isn't being noticeably kind to those whose privacy he breaches. No need to hear about someone else's circumcision status, or for the exact insulting thoughts about school staff, or invented stories (such as news of HMQM's death being broken by telephone, suggesting family/palace is heartless)

atotalshambles · 13/01/2023 13:52

that article is hilarious, Op. Cheered me up on a rainy, cold day. I like Harry very much and I hope he manages to find peace. I think the book is a bit of a. mistake but I hope that even Harry would have a bit of a laugh reading that article.

SammyScrounge · 13/01/2023 14:02

Zone2NorthLondon · 12/01/2023 19:59

You know #BeKind isn’t just a phrase,it’s a behaviour a way of being. much parroted on SM and not applied.
Harry has clearly suffered trauma (mother deceased in RTA, the unique formality of being raised as a royal)
Hes entitled to talk or write about his experience, it’s his after all

But he has.no right to lie about other people while talking about himself.

purplefacemask · 13/01/2023 14:07

The French class 😂

AliceOlive · 13/01/2023 14:16

“In 1998 I went to Eton. I was outmatched. The teachers said I was thick. That was because they just asked the wrong questions. Willy ignored me. I begged him to help me. He just said I was too needy and should see a shrink. I said that I didn’t understand my lessons. That they felt like people were speaking in foreign languages. That’s your French class, Harold. I started smoking dope. Anything to numb the pain of reading this book”

Comedy gold. And we need the relief. It’s the job of the RF to delight us, not remind us of our own fatally screwed up families. But Harry quit his job, obviously.

CulturePigeon · 13/01/2023 14:39

AliceOlive · Today 14:16
“In 1998 I went to Eton. I was outmatched. The teachers said I was thick. That was because they just asked the wrong questions. Willy ignored me. I begged him to help me. He just said I was too needy and should see a shrink. I said that I didn’t understand my lessons. That they felt like people were speaking in foreign languages. That’s your French class, Harold. I started smoking dope. Anything to numb the pain of reading this book”

(Sorry - haven't read the book, so just commenting on this chunk.)

The context of this (from what I remember, being old enough!) was that the RF had sent William to Eton because it was near to Windsor and Granny - rather than to Gordonstoun in Scotland for example - in view of the sad situation the boys were in after Diana's death. It might have suited William, but obviously didn't suit Harry and he had a rotten time academically. It's a dilemma many 'mere mortals' face, isn't it? Trying to decide whether a child who might have different needs would be better with their older sibling or at another school on their own. Perhaps it was the wrong place for Harry, but may have just been a result of the family trying to support him by sending him with his brother. The fact that William then didn't support him is hardly one of unique cruelty - I remember the same situation when younger siblings joined my school and were given the cold shoulder by their older sisters. I hope no teacher actually used the word 'thick' - but who knows.

It's rather a crude assumption, but it may be that William followed his father in being more naturally academic (not necessarily a high-flyer, though) and Harry his mother - who was not known for academic interest or achievement.

It's a shame if Eton didn't make more of an accommodation for Harry, even if he wasn't in the calibre of ability they normally deal with - they would have known the situation. But perhaps they did - children are usually pretty unaware of what goes on in the staff room and behind the scenes...and there were the rumours about a LOT of help to achieve a B for his art A level!

EdithWeston · 13/01/2023 14:44

The context of this (from what I remember, being old enough!) was that the RF had sent William to Eton because it was near to Windsor and Granny - rather than to Gordonstoun in Scotland for example - in view of the sad situation the boys were in after Diana's death

Eton starts at 13+, and William was 15 when Diana died, so he'd already been there a couple of years.

Near Windsor was good (for a base for close protection teams)

But IIRC, the main reasons were that Charles had hated Gordonstoun and the men in Diana's family all went to Eton, so they went for that

Zone2NorthLondon · 16/01/2023 22:04

SammyScrounge · 13/01/2023 14:02

But he has.no right to lie about other people while talking about himself.

It is his account. Is it lies?Well there the rub,they’ll alll have disputed accounts
However it’s his subjective experience and be can recall it as he wishes and inevitability that’ll cause consternation. BUt let’s face it, the RF has multiple scandals,divorces, unsavoury behaviour- they’ll take the same stoic approach as usual. Harry will have anticipated that this will be provocative, it’s his story after all

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