Archie and Lillibet Sussex

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I wonder how Harry will feel in thirty odd years time when his kids are adults and write gossipy, unflattering books, make documentaries and give spoken interviews about him ?

Doesn't want history to repeat itself ?

Gonna happen faster than you think, mate.

Harry was raised in a shit show of his parents marriage. Seems his kids will have it worse, ultimately.

I don't think any post on here is being unkind towards the children in any way whatsever.

Showing empathy and compassion for the two young children caught up in this vicious drama is not wrong. Being aware of the potential harm and outcome is not horrible. Of course people will be worried about Harry's children. He is unstable and their mother has been very open about her mental health problems. Even the security risk alone to the family after Harry's comments about body counts is enough to create concern.

Children are always hurt by this stuff, I do feel very very sorry for them.

The thread policing on Mumsnet is bizarre.

This is the royal family board and Harry's autobiography is released today. Of course it's going to be discussed!

Anyone who doesn't like it or thinks we're a bunch of weirdos obsessed with a book should feel free to browse the many other thousands of threads which are not on the royal family board 🤔

I think people will take an interest in Harry’s parenting when he has been so critical of his fathers and will naturally want to comment.

Harry has also commented on his parenting. How he is doing it differently and has talked about his kids development. He has released pics in the Netflix docu series.

Therefore, he has opened up his parenting to comment.

I think being raised in a home where communicating with a dead relative will have an impact.

Exposure to alternative therapies also

Feeling isolated, away from family and culture

complicated feelings on the decision M&H have made to leave. Why they didn’t go on to lead a private life

A father who struggles with his mental health and relies on various therapists

A father who published a book, containing tawdry details

A father who has a complicated relationship with drink and drugs

A father that believes his family conspires against him

No because I’m sure Harry will make sure he doesn’t repeat the same mistakes his parents made.

This Be The Verse
BY PHILIP LARKIN
They fuck you up, your mum and dad.

They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.
But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.

Made me think of this poem.

Honestly though I think they stand a chance of a good life- there's money for education, as they're in US there will be less intrusion in future years as there's less interest- their parents having problems or being less then perfect parents doesn't have to define them or anyone else.

It will follow them around forever more unless they change their names and do reinvent themselves elsewhere.

There is no escaping it with those names!

It will follow them around forever more unless they change their names and do reinvent themselves elsewhere.
There is no escaping it with those names!

I'd have though with the USA celebratory culture means there are many kids growing up with famous parents many who do and say strange things in press - and go on and live lives and yes some change their names - some exploit them and most get on with life .

Maybe I'm wrong and RF is bigger in USA than I've been lead to believe - but I'd agree it does depend on what the Sussex's go and and do in their childhood years and beyond.

I sincerely hope the children can put all of this behind them, otherwise it will be a life time ball and chain.
The cycle has the potential to be even more harmful than Harry and William's experience. I hope they have rock solid care around them that is not relying on narc parents to offer them some guidance and light.

Hollywood will suck them under otherwise.

Curiously Charles effectively has legal custody of Archie and Lilli, under an old royal perogative . Which means if harry and Meghan split. It would be very complex for Meghan as her custody fight, realistically could be with the king, if he chose to exercise it.

that goes away when Charles is no longer king and William is on the throne. As it is for children and grandchildren only that the monarch has this prerogative.

if harry and Meghan split whilst Charles is king and harry wanted the kids in the uk, there is a high chance Charles and harry would win. If Charles is no longer king then the odds are in meghans favour, as the kids are being raised American.

Or maybe it will be Charlotte and Louis writing disparaging books as they are also.Spares??

True

but they have a very tight and stable family unit around them with the Middletons. They have cousins on that side too. M&H kids have no family members save for Doria and the ghost of Diana that visits. That doesn’t bode well

Maybe, but for some reason I think not. If anything I think William nd Kate and very focused on their kids and don’t appear to be doing anything publicly damaging like harry. They also don’t appear to suffer from significant mental health problems, although you never know. Kate is also very close to her family, as is William.

the kids are clearly very close to Williams family, we saw at one event Louis running over to sit on Charles’s lap. Clearly something he does regularly. His cousins were interacting with him like they knew him well

It’s Charlotte who is effectively the spare, and she’s supremely confident for such a little girl, I suspect she will be just fine.

the whole thing feels much more healthy an environment for the kids to be honest and I think it’s likely they are not doing a bad job with them.

harrys kids are different, they have pretty much no extended family other than doria, very few friends, Christ Lillis godparent is Tyson Perry who they’d only known a year or so when he agreed to do it. Friendships seem to have been broken , staff keep getting fired. Doria didn’t even raise Meghan after the age of 9, and they don’t ever discuss why not. Why she left her child in her formative years. They say she left her at 9 to pursue a career. But that doesn’t quite tally with being a yoga teacher. I know of very few careers where you need to leave your child. Certainly not a yoga teacher.

kate and Williams kids have a huge extended network of people who have been there since birth. Harry and meghans kids simply do not and their father, at least, has some significant mental health issues.

I don’t know but it just seems a lot more well balanced for the wales kids.

Meghan confirmed she didn’t even know Tyler before she called him to accept the offer of a house. She had never met him and didn’t know him at all.

They later made him a god parent to Lili, that shows how few people they had to ask. No old friends, no family. It feels very sad to promote such a tenuous offer of a house favour into something so huge and meaningful.

They are Archie and Lillibet Mountbaton Windsor not Susssex.

This. They have two parents who absolutely are in love with each other and love their kids deeply enough to sacrifice for them, that are building a strong support network around themselves, and have money to smooth over the rest of life's niggles and pay for any therapy they need. Their kids don't have predetermined roles and can be whatever they want to be. I believe they will be two very happy very loved kids so their biographies will just be them fawning over how they lucked out.
As for this memoir, don't forget we live in a world where people put everything online. It will be the norm for Arch and Lili.

I don’t see it that way at all.
You clearly have never been a child of a narcissist, had you experienced the level of emotional neglect, the feelings of loneliness and having to come secondary to their relentless wants and needs however injured/ill/ in need the child is you wouldn’t be so flippant about the damage being inflicted on them.

Harry did not have to expose them to all of this hate and drama by writing such a terrible ill advised book, he could have written about rainbows and butterflies and the book would have sold. He has used it as revenge, and this is aimed at the children’s grandparents, cousins and aunties.

They have not grown up with any family whatsoever beyond Doria.

Harry and Meghan will be just as self obsessed, destructive and absorbed with themselves inside their home as they are on the outside.

If they really loved their children and wanted to protect them from this worldwide backlash, not to mention Taliban reprisals they would have made their lives truly private, and away from the spot light and given them the life Harry never had.

As it stands the generational cycle will repeat again now because they will inherit so much of the couples baggage and legacy.