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MyWillyBrokeTheDogBowl · 09/01/2023 10:24

Someone has just said this to me in passing:

”So Andrew has sex with a 17 year old girl and he’s a predator, the young girl is a victim, but an older woman supposedly humiliates and takes the virginity of a 17 year old Harry and it’s all made into memes and jokes?”

I was in a rush and couldn’t carry on the conversation but it’s thrown me a bit!

Im sort of sat here thinking about it, and aside from the legality of course because these incidents took place in different countries with different laws, what’s the moral implication? Are we seeing Harry as a victim too? Or do we say well 17 year olds have free will to do what they want? There’s a lot of murkiness around whether Virginia was there by choice too, and that’s not even getting into the massive face that Epstein was essentially running a child sex trafficking ring.

I don’t know, it’s made me pause a minute and think ok wait a minute, the jokes about Harry the stallion seem really crass and we would never say those things if the words were coming from a young woman.

Anyway, would appreciate your input! I’ll no doubt bump into this person again soon and would quite like an intelligent response to hand! My brain is working at about 4% capacity after a night up with teething babies!

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BradfordGirl · 09/01/2023 14:05

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Moonlightdust · 09/01/2023 14:06

x2boys · 09/01/2023 13:46

Lady Diana was 19 when she got engaged to the then 32 year old Prince Charles was she groomed ?

@x2boys Diana got married before I was born so I actually don’t know what the public’s view was at that time regarding the age difference. Maybe at age 19 she was deemed an adult. All I can say is that Diana was clearly a naive young woman who was taken advantage of regardless.

BradfordGirl · 09/01/2023 14:06

Are you also defending the grooming gangs in England grooming young teenager girls? Why did they not just leave?

BradfordGirl · 09/01/2023 14:07

@x2boys The kind of people who defend Andrew thought there was nothing wrong with the age gap. Plenty of us did think it was wrong.

Emanresu9 · 09/01/2023 14:08

The difference is consent.

Harry wasn’t trafficked. Or groomed.

x2boys · 09/01/2023 15:21

BradfordGirl · 09/01/2023 14:07

@x2boys The kind of people who defend Andrew thought there was nothing wrong with the age gap. Plenty of us did think it was wrong.

I was 8 when they got married just remember the big dress with the huge train and the lady Diana hair do
So not really of an age to.grasp.the large age difference ,she was certainly manipulated by the royal family .

MyWillyBrokeTheDogBowl · 09/01/2023 16:02

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Again? I haven’t brought it up at all before 🤦🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

And I certainly haven’t defended rape, how dare you? Although I have seen your name on plenty of threads lately and you always resort to mud slinging, name calling and general nastiness so I’ll not be replying again. Shame on you for not being able to communicate an opinion like an adult.

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Newwardrobe · 09/01/2023 17:30

x2boys · 09/01/2023 15:21

I was 8 when they got married just remember the big dress with the huge train and the lady Diana hair do
So not really of an age to.grasp.the large age difference ,she was certainly manipulated by the royal family .

I was 17 and remember talking to friends about how we couldn't imagine us getting married in 2 years time, especially to someone so old !

iloveeverykindofcat · 16/01/2023 06:02

She's wrong in this case to imply they are comparable and clearly knows nothing of what Andrew is actually accused of. But actually I do think adults having sex with teenagers is fairly disgusting in general.

bakalava · 16/01/2023 10:02

I strongly feel that Eugenie has been used by both of them to give them credibility. It must be crushing to realize that your dear cousin thought your specific disability was something to be ridiculed all along.

Thesealsknowsheismagic · 16/01/2023 10:10

Is Harry implying he was groomed/trafficked?

Sugarfree23 · 16/01/2023 11:18

I guess the biggest thing is consent.

Could Harry have said no, at 17 he was still probably bigger and stronger than the older woman.

Andrew, Was he aware that the girls had been groomed? 20 years ago, who had heard of grooming? Did he pay in some way for their services either cash to Epstein/Virginia or buying her stuff? Or did he think they were girls who were just up for a good time, enjoying the party life? So many questions.
Why was that supposedly posh nightclub called 'tramps'.

pilates · 06/01/2024 07:45

Wasn’t the woman referred to by Harry just 19 so hardly an older woman? It was consentual so hardly the same and poor taste to use as a comparison with Epstein. What a weird conversation to have at the school gate.

LaMarschallin · 06/01/2024 09:08

pilates

Wasn’t the woman referred to by Harry just 19 so hardly an older woman?

Yes. It was her 19th birthday that day. If it had happened the day before, she'd have been 18 to his 16/17 (seems to have been reported as both).
It was two teens in a friend group - she wasn't Mrs Robinson, ffs.

And as to a school drop-off conversation where someone launches in with:
"So Andrew has sex with a 17 year old girl and he’s a predator, the young girl is a victim, but an older woman supposedly humiliates and takes the virginity of a 17 year old Harry and it’s all made into memes and jokes?”
that sounds really odd.
And extremely inappropriate to compare Sacha with "a predator", poor woman.

Mylovelygreendress · 06/01/2024 09:42

Older woman ?? She was less than 2 years older - still a teenager herself .
Poor woman was humiliated in public because Harry didn’t have the decency to pre warn her that he was going to tell the world about his teenage antics.

Samcro · 06/01/2024 09:44

lol this thread is a year old
((happy birthday thread)))

Maireas · 06/01/2024 09:44

Samcro · 09/01/2023 10:29

isn't it more to do with the victim being trafficked than her age.

This. Also Virginia was there "by choice"? I think choice is a debatable word.

Maireas · 06/01/2024 09:44

Samcro · 06/01/2024 09:44

lol this thread is a year old
((happy birthday thread)))

Ahh, well spotted!

Mylovelygreendress · 06/01/2024 09:51

Samcro · 06/01/2024 09:44

lol this thread is a year old
((happy birthday thread)))

Ha ha! well spotted.
It usually takes me a few months to get used to a new year . In the old days when cheques were the norm , I had to really focus on the correct date !

Maireas · 06/01/2024 09:54

Mylovelygreendress · 06/01/2024 09:51

Ha ha! well spotted.
It usually takes me a few months to get used to a new year . In the old days when cheques were the norm , I had to really focus on the correct date !

Oh, I'll be writing "23" on the whiteboard until the students keep reminding me otherwise.....

SparklingBubbly · 06/01/2024 10:20

The differences are:

  1. legality. Harry was of legal age and he was not trafficked. Virginia Giuffre was a legally underage victim of grooming & trafficking.
  2. power dynamics. The main problem with “age gap” relationships is if the gap creates a power imbalance, for example if it creates a significant gap in maturity, stability of home life, career advancement & earnings, sexual & relationship experience, etc. Here, the age gap is not significant enough to create a power imbalance. In addition there are two much larger power imbalances: Harry’s status as prince (although this is the case in every relationship Harry can have!) but also Harry’s status as one of the people her father was employed to serve and his status as son of the direct employer. She was not claiming to be any sort of victim but as a power dynamic, Harry definitely is on top! The power afforded to a prince and the son of an employer is much greater than that of being ~2 years older and sexually experienced. In the case of Andrew (and others) the power gap is not just age but extreme wealth (which is what makes Virginia Giuffre extraordinarily brave).
CathyorClaire · 06/01/2024 11:16

Oh.

I thought this might be a thread asking why the usually freely gum-flapping Harold has kept his trap shut tighter than a gnat's chuff on the subject of Andrew.

Still intrigued on that.

ajandjjmum · 06/01/2024 11:57

pilates · 06/01/2024 07:45

Wasn’t the woman referred to by Harry just 19 so hardly an older woman? It was consentual so hardly the same and poor taste to use as a comparison with Epstein. What a weird conversation to have at the school gate.

This!

SparklingBubbly · 06/01/2024 12:19

CathyorClaire · 06/01/2024 11:16

Oh.

I thought this might be a thread asking why the usually freely gum-flapping Harold has kept his trap shut tighter than a gnat's chuff on the subject of Andrew.

Still intrigued on that.

Because our Champion of Truth doesn’t want to PO Princess Eugenie

derxa · 06/01/2024 12:38

😳