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Diana's age at time of marriage.

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Peedoffo · 17/12/2022 16:26

I'm in my 20s so I really don't remember Diana. I did more reading on the subject and I can't believe the establishment thought it was ok to marry a 19 year old off to a man 13 years older than her who had no interest in her. No wonder she struggled this was the 1980s as well not the Victorian times! Could anyone around then tell me , why did her family back/support the marriage? Was there any concerns from the public ? I would be horrified at the thought of marrying my DD off at 19 to a much older man who wasn't really interest.

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teezletangler · 17/12/2022 19:38

They got married 40 years ago. I don't think it's possible to really comprehend how different the world was back then if you didn't live through it.

I think there was a wide range of cultural norms at the time, and the Charles/Di marriage was a vestige of an antiquated viewpoint. My parents lived together prior to marriage in the late 70s- and they met at church, and my grandfather was a vicar! Several of their friends and my aunt did too. I'm sure there were a few eyebrows raised, but even then it was starting to become the norm in the educated middle class at least.

MrsTumblebee · 17/12/2022 19:39

Times have really changed and I think people who didn't live through that period will find it hard to believe how different things were then

Im in my mid 60’s and agree with you. In fact I quite often find myself saying to my children (some of them are in their 40’s) honestly, you just don’t know what it was like in those days.

Thisismadness · 17/12/2022 19:41

Some strange comments here! I was 15 when she got married and was a bit horrified at the marriage. She seemed like a relatively young women marrying an old fogey. No one I knew saw it as romantic or aspirational. No wonder it ended the way it did.

magicthree · 17/12/2022 19:43

Everyone was a punk, right? Everyone?

I also raised my eyebrows at the poster who said we were punks and our parents hippies! I liked punk music -wouldn't say I was a punk, I worked in an accountant's office! - but no-one else I actually knew like it. And the idea of my parents, or the parents of anyone I knew, being hippies is laughable.

startingline · 17/12/2022 19:43

My friends and I were all married by about 19/20 at a similar time

Choconut · 17/12/2022 19:43

My mum was 17 and married a 27 year old, they were together until dad died.

Diana was aware of Camilla from what I've read and really wasn't sure about going through with it (on the day) - but her sisters told her it was too late to pull out.

Supersimkin2 · 17/12/2022 19:45

Standing with the posters who are saying social norms are more to do with the class and cash and race group(s) you’re in than time, certainly only 40 years back.

The royal family are their own group; only recently have they tried to be middle class. Toffs like Diana, in theirs, and right at the top of it. She was an aristocrat with money, a rare beast even then, and her family were courtiers. They knew the score.

RLScott · 17/12/2022 19:45

antelopevalley · 17/12/2022 19:27

I am in my mid-fifties. There were people at the time saying the age difference was ridiculous and that Diana was too young.

You know all the posters on MN who claim the hate of Meghan is not filled by racism? They are the same posters who would have been fine with Diana and Charles marriage at the time.

It was widely publicised that whoever Charles married had to be a virgin and that Diana had a virginity tests. At the time that was seen as incredibly anachronistic, but there were also lots of jokes about the reason he had to marry Diana as he would not find a suitable older woman who was still a virgin.

People claim Diana's family wanted the marriage. We did not know it at the time and we still don't. If her family was like any other family there were probably some members who supported it and others who did not.

We do know the Senior Royal Family members supported the marriage.

Her being obnoxious is the reason she is disliked so much.

Self absorbed (Mandela comparison), saying she was once “ugly with frizzy hair and a gap in her teeth” (throwing an entire race under the bus, yes because straight European hair is where beauty lies, right Meghan?), the lies in interviews (woe is me, again the self absorbed character trait).

And in terms of her race, this is where she is now (the birthplace of banning interracial marriage):

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscegenation#United_States

MrsTumblebee · 17/12/2022 19:47

magicthree · 17/12/2022 19:43

Everyone was a punk, right? Everyone?

I also raised my eyebrows at the poster who said we were punks and our parents hippies! I liked punk music -wouldn't say I was a punk, I worked in an accountant's office! - but no-one else I actually knew like it. And the idea of my parents, or the parents of anyone I knew, being hippies is laughable.

No. Not at all. I was very afraid of them actually.

feellikeanalien · 17/12/2022 19:48

limitedperiodonly · 17/12/2022 19:24

Although Charles and Diana married in the 1980s the attitudes of many of the people involved in encouraging the relationship were very much those of the 1950s/60s and before.

I wish people would stop pushing the narrative that people who were adults in the 1950s or before were socially and sexually repressed creatures so very different to us enlightened folk of 2022.

Attitudes are far more to do with class, race and socioeconomic issues.

The point I was trying to make was not that people in the 50s were socially or sexually repressed. It was that in some aristocratic circles there was still very much a view that you married for position and titles and divorce was frowned upon in those circles. I was particularly referring to the Queen Mother and Diana's grandmother.

I also don't think that people in 2022 are necessarily more enlightened!

diddl · 17/12/2022 19:49

She was expected to produce a male heir and had to keep having children until she had given birth to Diana's brother.

She did have a son before Diana who sadly died at a few hours old.

I wonder if there was some disappointment when Diana was born?

And then of course possible the "celebration" when her brother was?

Blossomtoes · 17/12/2022 19:50

magicthree · 17/12/2022 19:43

Everyone was a punk, right? Everyone?

I also raised my eyebrows at the poster who said we were punks and our parents hippies! I liked punk music -wouldn't say I was a punk, I worked in an accountant's office! - but no-one else I actually knew like it. And the idea of my parents, or the parents of anyone I knew, being hippies is laughable.

Given that there was only a decade between hippies and punks, it would have been highly irregular if punks had hippy parents.

SleepingStandingUp · 17/12/2022 19:52

MzLucky · 17/12/2022 16:47

I watched news coverage the other week. It was on tea time news the drs had inspected her and confirmed she was a virgin. My jaw is still on the ground!

Omg, I'm a smudge older than William
Could you imagine the news channels this century covering whether Kate had been medically confirmed a virgin???

CPL593H · 17/12/2022 20:04

SerendipityJane · 17/12/2022 17:07

Worth remembering that Princess Elizabeth was 13 when a 19 year old Prince Philip started "courting" her. (I believe the word is "grooming" M'Lud).

Probably not a great idea to look to the Royals for a lead on how to behave. Honestly, if the upper orders can't set us a good example, what's the use of them ?

Prince Philip was actually 18 and spent the encounter where she first really noticed him jumping over tennis nets, apparently. She seemed to quickly develop a massive crush on him but they barely saw each other for quite some while.

I think your use of the word "grooming" between 2 teenagers who were pretty certainly not having sex until much later later diminishes what it actually means for a lot of children and young people.

CriticalAlert · 17/12/2022 20:05

Simply because he needed a blue blooded brood mare to continue the line. You know nothing of history do you? He already had Camilla and he loved her. He had no reason to like Diana let alone love her. She was a vessel to produce çhildren pure and simple. You need to read a bit more about the history of royal families across the world.

BasilParsley · 17/12/2022 20:09

NoelNoNoel · 17/12/2022 16:29

In those times it wasn't that unusual
It was.

No it wasn't....

midsomermurderess · 17/12/2022 20:20

I though Diana was meant to have said that ‘I knew I had to keep myself tidy for what lay ahead’ and taken as meaning she knew she would marry into the Royal Family. It might very well be apocryphal

midsomermurderess · 17/12/2022 20:21

Keep herself ‘tidy, ie not losing her virginity.

antelopevalley · 17/12/2022 20:36

Diana had no idea she was going to marry into the Royal Family.

antelopevalley · 17/12/2022 20:37

BasilParsley · 17/12/2022 20:09

No it wasn't....

It was.
People married younger, but someone close to their own age.

Blossomtoes · 17/12/2022 20:47

antelopevalley · 17/12/2022 20:36

Diana had no idea she was going to marry into the Royal Family.

Once her sister had bottled it, she must have known it was on the cards. The Spencers wanted Charles for one of their girls. They didn’t seem to care which one.

SerendipityJane · 17/12/2022 21:09

I think your use of the word "grooming" between 2 teenagers who were pretty certainly not having sex until much later later diminishes what it actually means for a lot of children and young people.

18 year old bloke pursues 13 year old girl ? I'll say it again. If you were to remove the names and places, nobody wouldn't call it grooming

Might explain Prince Andrews predictions. Who knows ?

antelopevalley · 17/12/2022 21:13

@Blossomtoes You talk as if Charles and the Royal Family had no say in the matter. They had the power. And he had other girlfriends after her sister.

IcedPurple · 17/12/2022 21:14

Her grandma Lady Fermoy tried to talk her out of the wedding.

Are you sure? I thought it was the exact opposite.

SerendipityJane · 17/12/2022 21:17

antelopevalley · 17/12/2022 21:13

@Blossomtoes You talk as if Charles and the Royal Family had no say in the matter. They had the power. And he had other girlfriends after her sister.

The asymmetry of power. 'Twas ever thus.