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Has the daily mail hit a new low?

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rosamacrose · 25/09/2022 22:43

Meghan 'thought she would be the Beyoncé of the UK when she married Harry': Bombshell new book claims Sussexes felt 'cornered and misunderstood' by the Palace and The Queen 'told them you're either in or out at crunch Megxit summit'

The Queen 'told them you're either in or out at crunch Megxit summit'

At what point did someone decide that HMTQ would use that language?

Apart from the appalling trolling of Meghan in that newspaper, " crunch Megxit summit " who writes this stuff?

Idiots.

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Rowthe · 25/09/2022 22:45

It isnt them though is it.

They are reporting on a book

Randomword6 · 25/09/2022 22:46

The Daily Fail will always set new standards of vicious stupidity, never fear.

rosamacrose · 25/09/2022 23:03

Rowthe · 25/09/2022 22:45

It isnt them though is it.

They are reporting on a book

Bet you a pound to a penny that the phrase
crunch Megxit summit
doesn't appear in the book.
😁

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Pallisers · 25/09/2022 23:06

Every single headline in the DM about the royal family ends with "royal experts claim".

I think people should thank the royal family for engaging the Daily Mail so intensely. God alone knows who they would target if they didn't have them in their crosshairs.

Cailith · 25/09/2022 23:07

Not a fan of daily mail, definitely not a fan of Meghan. Why is any of this a story anyway. Unless Harry comes to his senses and drops Mrs Simpson MKII, I wish they would all just go and live that quiet life they said they wanted put of the public eye in California.

Talia99 · 25/09/2022 23:22

What I don’t understand is that almost all of Mumsnet hate the DM, never read it, don’t believe a word they say etc. …… until it comes to Meghan and Harry when suddenly every word they print is taken as the gospel truth by some posters.

Has it not occurred to those people that if the DM can’t be trusted on every other subject, their claims about Meghan may not be the most accurate either?

Dinoteeth · 26/09/2022 00:15

Cailith · 25/09/2022 23:07

Not a fan of daily mail, definitely not a fan of Meghan. Why is any of this a story anyway. Unless Harry comes to his senses and drops Mrs Simpson MKII, I wish they would all just go and live that quiet life they said they wanted put of the public eye in California.

Do you think he will?

Iamanelephant · 26/09/2022 00:22

I must say I'm a lot happier since I deleted the app and only come into contact with the DM on here.

rosamacrose · 26/09/2022 00:30

Iamanelephant · 26/09/2022 00:22

I must say I'm a lot happier since I deleted the app and only come into contact with the DM on here.

😁
If I look at the pictures read the mail, I go immediately to The Guardian and make myself read an equal number of articles as an antidote.

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Grumblegoat709 · 26/09/2022 00:34

I don’t have any particular feelings about Meghan Markle either way but I think the constant targeting of one woman is vile.

icecoffeeisland · 26/09/2022 00:54

Why would you even read the Daily Mail if you hate it so much? And if you actually read the article properly you’d see that they’re quoting from The Times, who are themselves publishing quotes from a new book. You’re singling out the Mail when the exact same quotes are also in todays Times, Mirror, Daily Star, Daily Express etc… that’s kind of idiotic too.

User2145738790 · 26/09/2022 00:58

Why are you spreading DM crap to more people?

Diverseopinions · 26/09/2022 01:09

One reason - probably the main reason - that people read the Daily Mail is that it's free - it doesn't protect its content behind a pay wall.

It's possible to read, online, The Guardian, Sky News, BBC news, The Sun. A lot of people would probably like to read The Times, but would have to pay.

The broadsheets tend not to do in depth features on personalities. The Daily Mail does that kind of thing. Often there is a slant and somebody's opinion, but, also, a lot of quotes from books. In this its content is similar to online Quora, where quite a lot of background info about historic events is presented.

You have to screen out, in your mind, bias and personal opinion. You have to take a lot with a pinch of salt. You can loathe the opinions and the focus, but still read some factual evidence. You have to be discerning, and, as another poster says, read The Guardian to balance out impressions. It's best to think critically and read as much as you can from many different sources. I don't think it's good to only read social media feed from writers who generally share your views - better to skip about, in what you read.

BlueRidge · 26/09/2022 09:53

Sensible take, @Diverseopinions

dogmandu · 26/09/2022 19:54

rosamacrose · 26/09/2022 00:30

😁
If I look at the pictures read the mail, I go immediately to The Guardian and make myself read an equal number of articles as an antidote.

If you only read the Guardian you don't know what's going on in the country. They are very selective about what they report.
There are some alarming things happening in our small towns, also in the big ones that need publicising but you rarely see in thee Guardian
Have you read the readers comments on the opinion page? Talk about uneducated and abusive comments. It's full of insults and bad language. You rarely read a post that's factual and without personal insults.
I say this as a Guardian and a Daily Mail reader. At the same time the DM is full of celebrity crap.

BlueKaftan · 26/09/2022 19:58

The DM have carte blanche to print whatever they want to about Megan and Harry. It’s all okayed by the courtiers in exchange for going light on William.

BasiliskStare · 26/09/2022 21:22

@Diverseopinions - I know a person who writes for the DM - ( sport ) a good journalist. The DM is not always dreadful - though you would think so on here. Yes a little more popularist than the Times etc but that is why people read it and their website is free and easy to navigate. I once went to a dinner party with the deputy editor of the Observer & a woman said to him - the observer is without bias - & he said - no - it is because it agrees with your bias

I would say read any newspaper but do it with your own lens.

Diverseopinions · 27/09/2022 08:18

I think the DM goes into issues in depth, which is a good thing. Other newspapers report events with little background detail. The facts are there, what you heard already on the TV news, but not an interesting read.

I think the cookies decide who views what and the more you read of royal stories, the more you see.

I don't have an issue with the phrasing 'crunch summit'. It was a single meeting with great significance because Meghan and Harry had issued a sudden and unexpected public statement announcing a move and 'a progressive role' within the Royal Family. There was no possibility to phase discussions of this via a series of interspaced meetings. That one assertion had to be corrected.

Constitutionally, and therefore in law, royalty can only behave in a proscribed and limited way. It would not be possible, according to the rules, to act as an official royal, yet also decide for yourselves how you are going to use your influence. Courtiers, who would be legal advisors, would have to approve every visit and public speech. A simple way of describing this is : 'You are either in or out'. 'Crunch' is a simple and graphic way of describing one meeting which must decide something quickly before the royals are accused of being in breach of their constitutional role. A constitutional role is equivalent to a legal role, so if Meghan and Harry had represented the monarchy by holding a speaking event which was not approved and which overstepped what they are allowed to say, they might have put the British Royal Family in breach of the law.

Harry and Meghan had also spoken in their public statements about continuing to be serving the Queen, so anything they had said in 'their new progressive role' might have been interpreted as spoken with the approval of the Monarchy and all of its legal advisors. End of monarchy could have rapidly ensued, if for instance they had critisized a government policy or aligned themselves with a political movement.

Policemen, judges, paramedics also have to use their power and their authority ONLY when they are on duty. This is not an alien concept. They can't say 'I'm a policeman and I'm ordering you to show me your proof of identity' when they are off duty. You are either on duty, following the legal team - the courtiers' advice - or off duty, e.g. no longer working royals.

A lot of DM reporting does expose money-making by other individual members of the royals and does hold the country's most influential to account. In this sense the fourth estate is doing what we expect it to do.

Of course, if you think the British Royal Family is like the Kardashian clan - that there is no conditional angle - and the press are being mean by dissing certain members' social media feed, then discount all of the above.

TrashyPanda · 27/09/2022 10:02

crunch Megxit
that sounds like a vegan breakfast cereal.

SpinningAwaySadly · 27/09/2022 10:11

Thinking about the Times articles previewing the book, I have read this a lot of the past few days:

The Duchess of Sussex thought she was “going to be the Beyoncé of the UK”

Are these entirely Valentine Low's words, as in his interpretation of what he perceives as Meghan's ambition? A metaphor, if you will.

Or is VL suggesting that Meghan herself said this?

Or has someone else made it up out of what VL has written and released so far, e.g. a Mail journalist?

Diverseopinions · 27/09/2022 14:25

My understanding is that the book presents views of the courtiers. I agree that talking about being the next Beyonce is unhelpful. Whether Meghan said it herself; Valentine Low thinks it; or a courtier said it, wanting to look like Beyonce; to want to be adored; to want to be a famous person are not problems. However, acting in a constitutional way and betraying the tax payer is a problem.

Diverseopinions · 27/09/2022 14:26

Acting in an unconstitutional way.

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