Was Princess Diana offered security after her divorce?

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There is an interesting article in The Sun that says amongst other things, that Harry is asking lots of questions about Diana's death e.g. " Official judicial sources in Paris say the Duke of Sussex’s researchers have been seeking information about the car crash that killed his mother 25 years ago." One of the questions is allegedly whether Diana had been offered security after her divorce.

After her fatal crash Scotland Yard asked why Diana had no security. Tina Brown said that Diana had turned down security. But the suspicion is that Diana is in the same situation as Harry i.e. only offered security if attending an official royal event such as the Jubilee, but refused security for the rest of the time.

I know it is The Sun, but given Harry's fight around official security in the UK, which he has offered to pay for but still been refused - it rings true that he would be asking questions about his mother's security. It is clear if she was using official security at the time, she would still be alive.

www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19503595/prince-harry-diana-final-moments-book/

fair enough that we have a different system to the French.
who are the doctors, because we never had them on the enquiry

who are the doctors, because we never had them on the enquiry

What difference would that make?

Why would you? There was no controversy over the cause of death which, in any case, would be an issue for a pathologist, not anyone who treated her at the scene.

I don't remember that; it may well be the case. There certainly wasn't a shortage of doctors at the scene.
I know what you mean about struggling against the urge to check it all out again; it would be such a rabbit hole.

All these posters saying that she was offered security and declined it? There is absolutely no evidence that she was ever offered security and no evidence that she declined it can someone please provide a link
As for the person who accused the Op of being obsessed with The RF the question about Diana and the manner of her death is a valid one considering it is in the public interest -so no need to be so rude

If you read the thread, Serenster names the doctor who arrived with the trauma team and the off-duty doctor who was first in attendance is easily Googled.

because we never had them on the enquiry
The royal "we"?

@Banana2079 lots of links provided on pages 2 and 3 of this thread

Where does she name the doctors? Who are they ?

They have never been mentioned at the enquiry.

Actually, forget the royal "we" bit.
It was a feeble joke based on the idea that "we never had them on the enquiry" made it sound like you were on the enquiry panel. And the is the royal board.

I really don't want to get involved in some tedious back-and-forth.

@notanotheroneagain if, as it has been mentioned, it is the normal practice for the French to deploy ambulances with (presumably trauma qualified) doctors to the scene of a car crash, what difference does it make what their names are? Would you know them from Adam?

Where does she name the doctors?
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At 14:01 today.

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The Dr's are all named in Paget?

When my dm fell very ill suddenly, the paramedics spent at least 45 minutes imn the ambulance outside the house, trying to stabilise her before transferring her to hospital. (While nosey buggers from the golf club across the road stood and stared.) I don’t think there’s anything unusual about that.

There is.

Try looking into the John Stevens inquiry. He states she asked for security to be withdrawn. An interview, albeit with the Daily Beast, is here: www.thedailybeast.com/the-man-who-investigated-princess-dianas-death-tells-all

This is from Patrick Jephson’s book. He was Diana’s private secretary.

One very disturbing spin-off from the Princess’s new-found freedom – and a sign of her increasingly erratic judgement – was her decision to dispense with her police bodyguards except at public engagements. This was a bold, even reckless move, the result in varying parts of a desire to secure some privacy, a wish to appear different from her in-laws (some of whom could claim rather less personal risk than herself but who nevertheless clung on to their PPOs as powerful status symbols) and a willingness to demonstrate her popularity in the most practical way possible.
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This unorthodox approach to her own security nonetheless caused headaches among the professionals at the Royalty and Diplomatic Protection group. What was the best course of action? They were under tight budgetary constraints, so the lifting of the requirement to field a four-man team for the Princess of Wales was certainly an attractive economy.
[…]
The question of the Princess’s security remained a bone of contention for a while. A desire to aced to her wish to dispense with her bodyguards was quite naturally at odds with the fear that heads would roll if anything should happen to her. Eventually the Home Secretary’s views were sought and it was decided that the Princess should receive protection as before, but only when she asked for it.

Typo: "A desire to accede..."

I remember at some point - after the enquiry? William and Harry putting out a statement thanking the health professionals who had tried to save her.

Posters kept referring to Drs (plural) which gave me the impression that the main dr (who did a video conference call to the enquiry) was somehow waiting for other drs he had called to help. That is not what took place.

Harry and William would have read out what they were told.
Everyone would be thankful for the doctors ofcourse. This is not questioning the dr intentions because they make a vow to save lives which stands above everything else. The judges also make a vow. The only thing they had was the report compiled by the French and that has glaring holes in it.

The question however, is how quickly the French wanted to wrap things up. I am expecting that if a dr is trying to stabilise someone, they would take a certain amount of time - did the French question why it took so long to get her to hospital, they don't seem to have asked why they even took such a long out of the way route.

Anyway, this weekend we have the Channel 5 documentary, hopefully it will address in details why there were holes. John Stevens was on itv the other day, so I believe he features in it, so a lot of questions may be answered.

Was t it simply that the HR dept/policy was for H & M's employees, not H&M? Nobody could tell her not to seek mental health help. Harry and Diana both had treatment. I'm sure Meghan could have engaged her own doctor privately, and controlled the arrangements, as she did for her maternity care.

did the French question why it took so long to get her to hospital

This has already been covered above. There are pros and cons of trying to stabilise someone at the scene. Plus it can take a long time to extract someone with potential spinal injuries from a vehicle.

As it turned out, Diana's most serious injury wasn't one that could ever have been stabilised at the scene, and she might have benefitted from early transfer to hospital but no one would have known that at the time. Her injury was quite a rare one, and impossible to diagnosis on examination alone. If they had transferred her immediately she was extracted, and she had died en route of an injury that could have been stabilised at the scene, imagine the fall-out.

Having your picture taken might be annoying, but it isn't life threatening. If you continue to drive normally and safely to your destination, there can't be a 'chase'. Harry's reason for wanting security was that paparazzi were following his car. I'd say all Royal drivers should be advised to ignore them and drive normally.

The car that tapped Diana's car wasn't a photographer. Her driver was drunk and speeding. Diana wasn't wearing her seatbelt. Harry might as well have started a campaign about drink driving, speeding or seatbelt wearing.

What long out of the way route @notanotheroneagain - I think Paget said journey time to hospital was not remarkable given they had to drive at comparatively slower speed due to Diana's blood pressure and that also included a stop to deliver medical intervention to prevent cardiac arrest?