Was Princess Diana offered security after her divorce?

[antelopevalley]

There is an interesting article in The Sun that says amongst other things, that Harry is asking lots of questions about Diana's death e.g. " Official judicial sources in Paris say the Duke of Sussex’s researchers have been seeking information about the car crash that killed his mother 25 years ago." One of the questions is allegedly whether Diana had been offered security after her divorce.

After her fatal crash Scotland Yard asked why Diana had no security. Tina Brown said that Diana had turned down security. But the suspicion is that Diana is in the same situation as Harry i.e. only offered security if attending an official royal event such as the Jubilee, but refused security for the rest of the time.

I know it is The Sun, but given Harry's fight around official security in the UK, which he has offered to pay for but still been refused - it rings true that he would be asking questions about his mother's security. It is clear if she was using official security at the time, she would still be alive.

www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19503595/prince-harry-diana-final-moments-book/

MM has everything to do with the rules.

Were they not sticklers when they told her she could not get MH help due to HR rules. Surely, then they they were sticklers with Diana and sticking to the rules - was that not why they stripped here HRH.

Look, I have no issues here as long as everyone is treated the same. If Diana refused her security, fair enough. Show us that with her explanation of why she would not trust them.

I liked your first version _ read it in an Outlander type Scottish accent!

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What are you talking about?

What rules? 😒

I don’t think anyone can use HR rules to prevent anyone else getting healthcare. I don’t know a single woman who would stand for that.

[Part of the problem with] the monarchy [is that they don’t] keep a written record of their decisions and doings. All there is is press statements, witness accounts, letters patent and so on. There’s no Hansard for monarchy.

[Part of the problem with] the monarchy [is that they don’t] keep a written record of their decisions and doings. All there is is press statements, witness accounts, letters patent and so on.

Would be a good idea if they did. Most did, which is why we have a historical museum of events - not just from the media. It would also help with transparency if they actually announce a spokesperson instead of hiding behind 'royal sources'.
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You should suggest it on the “unpopular opinions” thread on this board. 😉

Given that Harry has had years of counselling and was involved with at least 1 MH charity, why didn’t he pick up the phone and get help for his wife ?

So have a psychologist have the media go through not only MM's MH when she is not ready, but also his client list without the palace protecting him. Yes, that can be done, but surely, you leave that as a last option. Why not protect the person and his client list via the palace.

There’s a whole ‘Medical Household’ which includes both active doctoring roles for the Royal Family, and a range of positions that are little more than titular.

Why Harry - who was brought up in this structure - did not tell his wife where medical assistance was to be found is beyond me. (Of course HR couldn’t help - it’s the responsibility of a totally different department)

Because they relied on their US audience (the only audience they’re interested in now) to not know this information.

MM is not a stupid woman. Going to HR, if she in fact did, feels like a weird PA move. She knows she’s not an employee of the RF. She does however have hands and a mouth and she knows she could have called a doctor. But why bother when that will come between his and her very obvious plan to always ditch the RF. I’m very much of the opinion that she thought she could shake things up when she got into the RF and wasn’t happy when that didn’t happen

If you have access to reasonable money in London, you just pick up the phone and get a next day appointment with any one of a hundred or more top notch MH professionals.

We are getting a bit off topic here - but this was also something I didn't understand about the Oprah interview - she says this happened while she was pregnant when presumably she had prenatal care from her OBGYN team - that usually always includes mental health checks, and would mean she had a trusted doctor / team of doctors she could also turn to.

Here's a transcript of the interview:

Oprah: Did you ever think about going to a hospital? Or is that possible, that you can check yourself in some place?
Meghan: No, that’s what I was asking to do.
Oprah: Yeah.
Meghan: You can’t just do that. I couldn’t, you know, call an Uber to the palace.
Oprah: Yeah.
Meghan: You couldn’t just go. You couldn’t. I mean, you have to understand, as well, when I joined that family, that was the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver’s licence, my keys. All that gets turned over. I didn’t see any of that any more.
Oprah: Well, the way you’re describing this, it . . . it’s like you were trapped and couldn’t get help, even though you’re on the verge of suicide. That’s what you are describing. That’s what I’m hearing.
Meghan: Yes.
Oprah: And that would be an accurate interpretation, yes?
Meghan: That’s the truth.

So she wanted to be checked into a facility? And she asked the head of palace HR to help her do it and was told HR couldn't help her because she wasn't an employee.

Meghan: You couldn’t just go. You couldn’t. I mean, you have to understand, as well, when I joined that family, that was the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver’s licence, my keys. All that gets turned over. I didn’t see any of that any more.

None of that makes sense.

Assuming, though, that it was literally true, the only thing you need to get to a clinic is your car keys (not a passport or driving licence). All the royals drive themselves all the time. All of them. So what was the issue?

MM wanted to go to a residential psychological place, not uncommon amongst rich Americans. The Royal Family said no as it would be unlikely to stay private.

That's not strictly true. You can't know that. Her bodyguard survived but was badly injured. Her had a ten hour operation on his jaw etc and his side of the car wasn't the side that collided.

Diana's injuries were internal and not obvious straight away -it was shocking it took so long to get her out of the car. There were multiple reasons why she died in that crash.

Al the royal see doctors. All is confidential. Harry had years of counselling as did William after their mother died.

He admitted it here -William insisted when he was 28 -years before seeing MM. MM could have gone to the same one -if Harry was allowed and of course he was. So would his wife.
www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/20220427138886/prince-harry-therapy-mental-health-revelations/

But that was not what MM wanted.
There seems wilfully misunderstanding around this.

I mean, you have to understand, as well, when I joined that family, that was the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver’s licence, my keys. All that gets turned over. I didn’t see any of that any more

Didn't she fly out for the baby shower and their various holidays during this time'?

"That family" - oof

The bodyguard was the only person in the car wearing a seatbelt.

But they said yes to them emigrating?

I think some of the things that H&M said in that interview were valid. Some things they said were probably true but would have been better left unsaid.

However I think this “I couldn’t get MH support” claim must be one of the things that was souped up for the interview (like the “we married three days before the spectacle “ claim).

There was huge pressure on them to provide shocking, exclusive gobbets so some things got embroidered. It’s the only possible explanation for making claims that don’t stand up to fact- checking.

I can understand that maybe she felt hemmed in and restricted by etiquette and Royal PR. Especially compared to the way things are done in the entertainment industry in the States. It makes sense that being advised (for example) “checking into that clinic will mean you’re besieged with press, let us find you an alternative” might have felt oppressive to a depressed woman new to the lifestyle.

However, clearly neither of them were prisoners during their couple of years as royals together. They weren’t unable to access their travel documents, contact people or pay for things. They flew transatlantically, and across Europe; they attended social events in different countries, some of them probably not what the courtiers would have advised; they worked; they shopped; they arranged an emigration. It just doesn’t stack up to match the Oprah account.

No, it's not based on HRH status, but other factors.

Who is targeting you nota?

Why is the official note of the meeting insufficient confirmation for you? Are you suggesting that the contemporaneous note, written several years before her death was forged and that he lied under oath at the inquest? That's a pretty serious inference. Reminds me of the post suggesting the judge in the ANL case was 'bent/dodgy'

I never once said the judge was bent but (presumably you, as you name changed) said it.

I am simply asking what proof he produced. A valid question, as it's a norm for someone to make their statements with proof and I expect there would be one in this case.

There does seem to be wilful misunderstanding.

`on top, wasn't MM's compliant that overall, she felt she was being treated differently to everyone anyway.

She surely looked around or asked questions and found others kept their driving licences etc.