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Who advised the Queen to walk into the Abbey escorted by Andrew??

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TinyTortoise · 29/03/2022 13:07

This seems to be the most tone deaf and damaging decision. It's a public facing event with international leaders and royals. If it was a closed family gathering I could understand it - he is her son still- but why on earth would they allow him to escort her to her seat?! He should be invisible from now on and never represent the RF again. He could have attended and stood somewhere out of the way. She could have chosen anyone to escort her. It's staggeringly awful!

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Swayingpalmtrees · 29/03/2022 14:46

He is a perfect case of trial by media, where many many people commenting have no idea what actually happened from a legal point of view

Except enough people in the royal household believed there was wrong doing otherwise why would he have been stripped of all patronages? Surely an innocent man would not be cast out and forced to pay 12 million pounds if that were true.

f you don’t want to see him, don’t watch

The only problem with your advice is that I still have to PAY for it, so regardless of whether I watch or not, I am paying for this.

Abouttimemum · 29/03/2022 14:47

@JellybeansJelly exactly what you said.

Swayingpalmtrees · 29/03/2022 14:49

People are likely to make up their own minds about this, and I don't think it has done the RF any favours.

AlwaysLatte · 29/03/2022 14:50

I was surprised but at the same time there is no proof he's actually committed a crime.

LakieLady · 29/03/2022 14:50

@vastgrandupgrade

Least worst option. It meant he didn’t do the meet and greet and walk down the aisle. They barely showed him and the Queen arriving, he was on screen for seconds.
He was clearly visible for much of the service, sitting in the front row.

They should have hidden him behind a pillar or something.

HardyBuckette · 29/03/2022 14:51

I don't think we can necessarily assume this is how the queen was advised OP. Might've been at her insistence. It is also reasonable to consider the possibility that her faculties aren't so sharp: she's nearly 96 and has been visibly ill for a while now.

Vapeyvapevape · 29/03/2022 14:51

I think they chose the lesser of all the evils. Like a pp said , if PA had been stuck in a corner somewhere, the cameras would have spent ages looking for him .

AlwaysLatte · 29/03/2022 14:51

Anyone know the significance of the colour green? Lots of ladies wearing it….
A nod to his favourite land rovers?

lifelast · 29/03/2022 14:52

@Blossomtoes

I have no problem with his being there *@lifelast*. It was always obvious he’d be there. Putting him right at the heart of it was a mistake when he could easily have arrived early and been seated discreetly.
He wasn't at the heart of it! He helped his frail elderly mother walk through a side door. He's a son, with his mum, at his dad's funeral. I repeat, no-one needs to pass a morality test to attend a funeral. We do let criminals do this. At the heart of this is a family of human beings grieving a father and supporting each other.
PurpleHollyhocks · 29/03/2022 14:54

Well it’s not her family her choice though, is it.

She is head of state and therefore her actions carry far greater weight.

I understand why he would be there - it is his father after all.

But the Queen having Andrew walk her in is in very bad taste

Swayingpalmtrees · 29/03/2022 14:54

Who knew Prince Andrew was so popular all of a sudden Confused

Amazing to see that so many people that are comfortable paying trafficking victims 12 million to keep quiet and go away. Equally happy to see the very same man strolling through central park with a convicted peado who had spent time in jail at that point for abusing young girls. Nothing to look at here then Hmm

Lockedoorsopen · 29/03/2022 14:54

I am no fan of Andrew but she is a very elderly woman who probably wanted her son with her.

She will most likely die soon and she has spent nearly her entire life serving this country and being told what she must do. Maybe she thought 'fuck it I want my son by my side. He is still her son.

Frangiblepins88 · 29/03/2022 14:55

Jinglinghellsbells I didn't say she was stupid, I said it was a conscious decision. That makes it even worse imho.

And the Queen has been tone deaf before. Remember the rebuilding of Windsor Castle after the fire and how she expected the public to pay for it, remember how she had to be dragged kicking and screaming to pay more tax in 1992/93?. Remember the debacle after Diana's death: the Queen could have stayed in Balmoral and looked after the boys up there if she had deigned to broadcast a public statement from Scotland acknowledging Diana's death much earlier on than she chose to do.

There are certain conventions which may see odd to us commoners, but are part of protocol on occasions like this.

Protocol is essentially , when boiled down to basics, what the monarch of the day decides is appropriate! The RF can and do break protocol when they decide they want to. It's all a load of made up bolleaux anyway! Not something that "us humble commoners" are too dim to comprehend or find strange.

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TinyTortoise · 29/03/2022 14:58

@Hertsgirl10

She’s the Queen I’m sure it’s up to her who walks with her at her own husbands memorial, also it is his dad’s memorial.

Regardless of what any of us think of the pervy Prince, this is their family and I would never like to be the ‘advising’ a 90 odd year old woman anything let alone the Queen.

That may be but they shouldn't be surprised when the cries for a Republic begin as soon as she passes away. They are making it impossible for anyone to justify their existence. Not that I would.
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Nottogetapenny · 29/03/2022 14:58

mydogisthebest

It was his father's memorial so of course he should have been there. If his elderly mother wanted him to help her walk then that's fine with me.

Was he meant to stay at home and miss the memorial? He was barely on the tv and the fuss some of you are making is pathetic.

Totally agree

Lightning020 · 29/03/2022 14:59

I think the Queen made a very bad move there.

SamphiretheStickerist · 29/03/2022 14:59

@WinnieTheW0rm

No idea who would have actually advised it.

But some thoughts on why it might have been the least worst action

  • it means DofY did not go in as part of the main televised royal arrivals
  • it means he went in via a very short route that broadcasters barely showed (few paces only) but without anyone having to say 'don't show much if Andrew' because the reason was 'please would you limit coverage if the Queen on her feet'
  • we can't know what the Queen thought, but (to nick a phrase from another context) he remains a much loved member of the family, and this was a family affair (Queen's children seated in birth order, not order of precedence)
This.

Whatever we think of PA as an indvidual this was a memorial service for his father, a family occasion, no matter how public it seemed to us looking on.

Snog · 29/03/2022 15:00

I expect Andrew will come back into the fold as long as the monarch wants it.
Camilla was outside at first and now very much inside.

I just don't think we need a monarchy, especially not one rife with immortality. How Prince Charles can possibly become Head of the Church of England as an adulterer is beyond me.

Straighttalking1 · 29/03/2022 15:01

...... who advised Andrew to become best friends with a paedophile and child trafficker ???

BadgerB · 29/03/2022 15:01

@DingleyDel

Maybe Harry refused to attend if he knew Andrew was going to have such a prominent role? HM has not one but TWO other sons who aren’t rapists who could have walked her in.
Because Harry and his wife are SO virtuous, as we all know... Wouldn't be surprised if they put out a message to this end - now someone's thought of it
BadgerB · 29/03/2022 15:03

@Snog

I expect Andrew will come back into the fold as long as the monarch wants it. Camilla was outside at first and now very much inside.

I just don't think we need a monarchy, especially not one rife with immortality. How Prince Charles can possibly become Head of the Church of England as an adulterer is beyond me.

Hate to break it to you, but members of the C of E, and most other churches, are not necessarily saints.
CaroleFuckingBaskin · 29/03/2022 15:03

Because he is her son?
Because he has a right to attend his fathers memorial alongside his mother?
Because his mother wanted him to escort her?

We know he is a twat, who got off lightly with a cheque book. A shame that someone thought money was acceptable for an alleged sexual assault. And for that decision, he is a free man. A shame he was not seen through the justice system. But he wasn't.

Runmybathforme · 29/03/2022 15:04

Not ideal, but she's a very old lady, and is entitled to have her son by her side if that's what she wants.

BadgerB · 29/03/2022 15:05

@Nottogetapenny

mydogisthebest

It was his father's memorial so of course he should have been there. If his elderly mother wanted him to help her walk then that's fine with me.

Was he meant to stay at home and miss the memorial? He was barely on the tv and the fuss some of you are making is pathetic.

Totally agree

I agree.

Difficult to see how he could have attended in a more low profile manner.

Createabitofuntruenews · 29/03/2022 15:06

The Queen couldn’t care less what the Public think of her.I remember her having to be told to return to London when Princess Diana died.

Seeing that piece of scum walking next to her this morning ,made we want to see the end of the Monarchy more than ever.