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Prince Andrew has bolted to Balmoral

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Viviennemary · 08/09/2021 10:30

This according to guess who. The DM of course. To avoid getting papers served says the article. Maybe he's just gone for a nice break. Accompanied by Fergie.

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merrymouse · 13/09/2021 14:47

Why are they associating with dodgy businessmen? Selling access? Having sordid affairs? Putting themselves in positions where they can get stung by the News of the World fake sheikhs? Getting into debt and having those debts paid by rich associates? Spilling their guts on TV about how hard done by they are?
How is this making Britain look good - it's all sleazy as fuck, no matter how much pomp and ceremony is involved.

Because they are very average people brought up in an institution where they are expected to curtsey to their mother/grandmother, and believe that completely pointless titles actually mean something. Meanwhile they have to have this toxic relationship with the press and public where they are only relevant if they can produce column inches, but they can’t ever do anything that can be truly worthy of praise, because they are expected to be neutral enigmas and not have proper jobs.

You are right they should be able to just opt out, and some minor members do seem to be able to do that successfully, but it looks as though with most of them the damage has been done before they reach adulthood. Certainly Harry doesn’t seem to be able to function in a context that doesn’t include the media however much he hates them.

I think it’s time to put an end to it.

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 13/09/2021 15:04

They've certainly been raised to think they have an entitlement to unquestioning support, without the need to do much to justify it! Monarch aside, the public doesn't ask for much from the other royals - a few wedding and baby photos mostly, go to some dinners with heads of state, do a bit of charity work. In exchange they get luxurious lives. And they're still not able to do this with any decorum. Time to put an end to it indeed!

Dreamstate · 13/09/2021 16:12

Whatvalue do they bring? Have they reduced racism in the UK? Have they reduced poverty or homelessness? Have they raised our living standards, care or medical standards?

Literally what is the point of them?

Ribblechips · 13/09/2021 16:24

Why are they associating with dodgy businessmen? Selling access? Having sordid affairs? Putting themselves in positions where they can get stung by the News of the World fake sheikhs? Getting into debt and having those debts paid by rich associates? Spilling their guts on TV about how hard done by they are?
How is this making Britain look good - it's all sleazy as fuck, no matter how much pomp and ceremony is involved.

At the hub of all.of this is the age old problem of filthy lucre. The old aristocracy (with a few exceptions such as the Duke of Westminster) can no longer compete with the newly moneyed.

PA was allegedly associating with allegedly dodgy businessmen because of his ex-wife's alleged debts.

Sophie Wessex was involved in what was euphemistically called a "pr scandal" two years in to her marriage.

Others sold the rights to their weddings to Hello magazine or sold milk to the Chinese.

The extended family may have what we would consider to be generous allowances and grace & favour accommodation but it is "old money" and probably not enough to keep their dc in public schools, give them a generous annual income, ski chalets, luxury cars, couture and designer clothes and jewellery, support luxury travel and basically allow them to host and mix with and entertain the seriously rich members of society who will afford them privacy.

It's probably fine if you are Princess Anne and are happy living in a largely unrenovated stately pile in the muddy countryside with a stable of event horses and content to socialise with the Master of the Hounds in the local village and the local equally "impoverished" (its all relative Grin) marchioness who lives down the road, drive a battered range rover and wear clothes dating back to the 1970s.

But PA and the younger generation of royals probably want swanky ski holidays, holidays in the Bahamas, and on Mustique, to go out to fancy restaurants and nightclubs, fly first class, drink vintage champagne and wear designer attire.

In short they can't keep up with their equivalent of the Joneses.

It's all completely vacuous in my view. Smoothed over with a very, very thin veneer of them doing "good works".

The extended family should have been raised to believe that they were going to have to put their expensive educations to better use and work for a living. But that was never on their radar. The world has changed dramatically and they have been caught short.

And all of this I'm afraid has come about through poor advice, having an older monarch from a different generation who hasn't kept up with the times, and an unchallenged sense of entitlement and privilege.

CathyorClaire · 13/09/2021 16:32

go to some dinners with heads of state, do a bit of charity work

And even these 'duties' are often interspersed with days or even weeks of blank dates in the court circular.

A while back 76% of charities with a royal patron reported they hadn't seen 'their' royal darken their door even once in the previous year.

Roussette · 13/09/2021 17:05

Well... yes, there's a report out there talking about royal patronages, it's a massive study, and shows that there is no evidence that having a royal patron increases a charity's revenue.

And we're reduced to a drunk Rudy Guiliani at a dinner for 9/11 mocking the Queen and making jokes about PA.

Guiliani is a complete buffoon but still...

Here is the latest on the pre trial conference

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 13/09/2021 17:47

We'd all like to holiday in Mystique, but we cut our cloth! Personally I'd like to experience their level of 'poverty'.

I think the Queen has to put her hands up here. She has an enormous personal fortune and instead of sitting on it, maybe she ought to be settling her children's debts so that they aren't bringing the institution into disrepute by taking money from sleazy businessmen. And if she wasn't willing to do that, then it should have been made clearer to her useless offspring (Anne excepted) that they were going to have to live within their means/build a career if they want more money. None of them are my definition of skint.

Whoever does their PR has done a shocking job.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/09/2021 19:24

Even these 'duties' are often interspersed with days or even weeks of blank dates in the court circular

Yes, I touched on this upthread
It's very easy, seeing maybe 400 engagements a year, to think "OMG, that's more than one a day, every day!!", except it doesn't work like that

Firstly shaking a few hands and pretending to be interested in some dull mayor is hardly what most of us would call work ... secondly a lot of "duties" are so light that several can be packed into a day ... and thirdly it all looks a bit different when even a 10 minute phone call can be deemed an "engagement"

Roussette · 13/09/2021 20:14

Oh yes.

We have to bear in mind everything is prepared for them in advance. Their travel is sorted, first class all the way.
No juggling trains, no mad panic researching what you're going to say when on the train that's delayed, no worrying whether your speech is the right pitch.
No worrying if your clothes are right, they've been cleaned and set out for you with help from someone getting you dressed.

Just get up
And it's all done for you.
What a 'job'

Serenster · 13/09/2021 20:47

They aren’t the only ones with those advantages though, Roussette. Every CEO and Chairman of a FTSE 350 listed company has that kind of set up too.

CathyorClaire · 13/09/2021 20:55

@Serenster

They aren’t the only ones with those advantages though, Roussette. Every CEO and Chairman of a FTSE 350 listed company has that kind of set up too.
But they're not funded by the taxpayer...
Serenster · 13/09/2021 21:04

Some of them are! CEOs of public bodies definitely have the same deal…

CathyorClaire · 13/09/2021 21:13

Yebbut you explicitly cited chief execs and chairpersons of FTSE listed companies which aren't public bodies.

dontyouwish2 · 13/09/2021 21:47

As his court case is underway - and it looks like the judge has no patience for him, is it true that Andrew is busy holding a party?

torontosun.com/entertainment/celebrity/prince-andrew-hosts-party-days-before-sex-assault-court-hearing?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1631565638

Prince Andrew has bolted to Balmoral
Roussette · 13/09/2021 21:50

@Serenster

I don't think CEOs have personal valets and dressers unless they fund it themselves?!
Smile

And CEOs, Chairmen, Big Cheese of FTSE cos are answerable to shareholders who can and do kick them out
(I know personally one, too well known to say, that this happened to)

Roussette · 13/09/2021 21:51

Maybe we're all the equivalent of shareholders in the RF....
Interesting thought

ChurchofLatterDayPaints · 13/09/2021 22:03

As shareholders we can form pacts and screw them over, then.

Mamamia7962 · 13/09/2021 22:21

dontyouwish - It was a shooting party held at Balmoral yesterday.

PurpleOkapi · 14/09/2021 03:30

Cases like this normally drag on for years, and sometimes decades. I think expecting litigants to refrain from all social activities in the meantime, even in their own homes, is a bit much.

Roussette · 14/09/2021 06:37

He can go where he wants and do what he wants, I just don't want to see his arrogant face carrying out royal duties or him wearing dress up uniforms

I doubt the press will leave him alone whatever he does

EdithWeston · 14/09/2021 06:45

We're not shareholders (ie the collective owners)

They're the owners.

We're left with the good old traditions of revolution or it's modern less bloody equivalent of referendum.

We were early adopters of that, in 1648/49. But reversed it all in 1660.

I'm reminded of 1066 and 'right be repulsive' and 'wrong but wromantic'

dontyouwish2 · 14/09/2021 07:19

@Mamamia7962

dontyouwish - It was a shooting party held at Balmoral yesterday.
Well I'm sure those friends will massage his ego. He should be keeping his head down.

He must bee sweating secretly though, because his lawyer is a celebrity sex offenders defender with clients that include Bill Cosby.

Roussette · 14/09/2021 07:39

This is an interesting article. You will either strongly disagree or think that the article really has a point.

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/prince-andrew-s-court-case-and-charles-s-donors-prove-the-royal-family-has-had-its-day/ar-AAOoy2m

Worth a read. This is the last paragraph

These people are, we are told, the nation’s face and noble identity. Mantel, who is steeped in royal history, doesn’t seem to be a fan. She foretells the demise of the institution in two generations, meaning George will not be king. That should free him and propel this country into modernity, herald a new beginning for this formidable nation. Regrettably, I will not be around for the champagne and fireworks

merrymouse · 14/09/2021 08:08

He must bee sweating secretly though, because his lawyer is a celebrity sex offenders defender with clients that include Bill Cosby.

You have to wonder what his long term goal is and what he is trying to hide.

The use of a high profile lawyer linked to Bill Cosby to argue over a technicality seems like an astonishingly bad PR move, and likely to guarantee that the assumption of guilt will hang over his head for the rest of his life.

Even if there is proof that he had sex with Guiffre (and it seems that if there was clear proof it would have been produced by now), if there is nothing more to it, he was divorced and she was above the age of consent in the UK.

The refusal to co-operate with the FBI suggests that he is really concerned about evidence being produced of something more.

DancesWithTortoises · 14/09/2021 08:15

Looks like it may get thrown out. She got 5 million to keep quiet. She hasn't.