Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor

[GrownUpBeans]

From the Royal family website:

"For the most part, members of the Royal Family who are entitled to the style and dignity of HRH Prince or Princess do not need a surname, but if at any time any of them do need a surname (such as upon marriage), that surname is Mountbatten-Windsor."

I would say Andrew is in need of a surname and I wish the media would us it rather than his titles.

I like PC. I think he's a bit more cerebral than the rest of the family. And you can see how devastated he was by PP death.

I like PC. I think he's a bit more cerebral than the rest of the family.

Is that a joke? He's famously thick. He thinks homeopathy is real.

Yes, Bill Gates would, but I hope they don't focus on one 'big name'. All those involved in this need to answer any accusations.

I wonder if Andrew is briefing a sigh of relief that the focus has temporarily moved from him?

Yes, Bill Gates would, but I hope they don't focus on one 'big name'. All those involved in this need to answer any accusations

Gates is far from the only big name on that list, if what we have seen is far is anything to go by.

I wonder if Andrew is briefing a sigh of relief that the focus has temporarily moved from him?

Far from it. He is probably quaking in his boots waiting for one of them to sing and/or for things to progress so far so that even their protectors can no longer keep it from public view in its entirety.

Gosh, my spelling, half asleep!

Breathing, not briefing!

The trial has been pushed back until the end of November after a big fight by Maxwell's legal team. It was going to be in July.

I agree, it is very complicated. He was a money man with a massive number of connections, that's how he made his wealth.

I just find it amazing that quite obviously a huge number of people very quickly distanced themselves from him after his first trial for sex offences. Yet a Prince of the British monarchy did not and carried on with the friendship until he was forced to give it up.

You couldn't make it up...

Interesting, yes. It's all so opaque at the moment

I am keen to see Alan Dershowtiz brought to justice He's been accused by multiple victims, yet continues to attack them.

Plus if you start reminding/telling the public that titles can be removed and places can be removed then they might start wanting to remove them from others and that makes them all vulnerable to losing the lives they have (and presumably want since they’ve never left).

Charles has said for a long time now he wants to seriously strip the monarchy down when he ascends the throne so I don't think he's too worried about this.

The Queen massively protects Andrew. I don't think anyone else would to even near the same level

@starrynight21

I'd be interested to know just who would decide "who deserves a title and who doesn't".

The reigning monarch probably

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

Plus if you start reminding/telling the public that titles can be removed and places can be removed then they might start wanting to remove them from others and that makes them all vulnerable to losing the lives they have (and presumably want since they’ve never left).

Charles has said for a long time now he wants to seriously strip the monarchy down when he ascends the throne so I don't think he's too worried about this.

The Queen massively protects Andrew. I don't think anyone else would to even near the same level

He’s already done that though. That process started when the York and Wessex children weren’t working royals.

With losing Andrew, Harry and Meghan there’s not much more slimming he can do given the ages of the bulk of the working bunch atm.

Without making them all seem completely pointless and do them all out.

He’s going to have to be careful - people are questioning the point of the monarchy and the feeling people have for his mother won’t be there.

I can’t see Andrew being anything other than faded out. Any grand gestures will seem too political and pointed otherwise.

And with his own links to questionable characters he won’t want Andrew selling stories.

I think once the Queen goes Andrew will be more obnoxious and disgusting than he is just now. He will sell every part of his Royal title for personal gain. He will get off with his part in the Epstein trial. Money and power will cover it all up.

@JustLyra I strongly suspect when he's King it will be him and Camilla, Anne, and then William and Kate (and eventually their children) who will be the only working Royals. I think he will do some title stripping too - the King of Denmark (I think it was) did this recently to his own grandchildren

[quote FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop]@JustLyra I strongly suspect when he's King it will be him and Camilla, Anne, and then William and Kate (and eventually their children) who will be the only working Royals. I think he will do some title stripping too - the King of Denmark (I think it was) did this recently to his own grandchildren [/quote]
I’d be amazed if Edward and Sophie were dropped - they’re so much younger than Charles and Anne that they’ll be invaluable to William when the time comes to bridge the two reigns. They also do the vast majority of overseas royal events like weddings and the likes.

The number of engagements is already going to have to drop massively to cover the (eventual) loss of the Queen, Philip, Andrew, the Duke of Kent, the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester and Princess Alexandra (the later five did more engagements than many realised in 2018 & 19). The expected pick up from Harry and Meghan is no longer going to be there and it’ll be a long time before William wants his children to have to be working royals.

The title changes in Sweden are very different to complete title stripping. Members of the royal house there get an annual appanage and are expected to be working royals. All he did was remove the HRH and royal house status from the children of his younger children to make clear they will not be expected to be working royals and therefore not in receipt of payment. It’s basically similar to the situation with the York girls and Wessex children except here there was no automatic money going their way. The children are still Princes and Princesses. It was also partly done as children of the royal house have to be educated in Sweden and his daughter lives abroad so questions were beginning to be asked about her children’s education.

The latter four - not five

I hope Charles does make it just him, Camilla, William and Kate.

A lot of the royal patronages can be dropped, there's been a report here that shows they are of no tangible help. There's plenty of famous people out there who have the time to bring a lot to a charity.

I do wonder how it will pan out for Andrew when the Queen goes. Will he just sink into oblivion or not. I have read (no idea how true) that he is desperate to start royal duties again. That will not happen given the outrage and public feeling even just with talking outside the Church after PP had died.

I think we all have to remember, it isn't just the Epstein scandal. It's the previous decades as a Royal. The schmoozing, the back handers, the untold wealth, the court case ongoing in Switzerland, the dubious friendships with those high up in despot countries, the promotion of arms sales to opressive regimes, and on and on...

If he'd been reigned in decades ago, he might not be in this position now.