On topic : Diana, The Crown etc.

[Mummy195]

Ok, so Charles and Camilla worked hard on their PR for people to forgive their love, but all these stories that now brand the affair as 'fictional affair' when Charles was married. Really?

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/netflix/the-crown/the-crown-camilla-charles-diana-affair-b1760341.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1606134218

While most people do not expect the conversation to be verbatim in The Crown, the broad strokes of the narrative seem mostly based on reality. Are we suddenly supposed to just forget Camilla and Charles had an affair during the Diana years, suddenly?

Also, I have to say, I chuckled at Netflix response to make sure that Diana in her own words, is trending just as the cronies are denying the affair or legitimacy in The Crown.

And your point is?

a) The Crown is fiction
b) it is continuing the airbrushing out of Charles other main mistress

The Crown is not fiction I reckon it's spot on that's why it's ruffled so many feathers. Yes I watched Diana in her own words and the events depicted in the Crown came straight from the horses mouth. End of.

I find it very difficult to believe anyone could possibly think it was real, just because done of the quotations are verbatim!

Of course it’s fiction. I really didn’t think there were people out there who believed otherwise and though the suggestions of the show starting with a disclaimer was ludicrous, but clearly not!

It was all widely reported at the time and the 'facts' in the Crown are all documented by the media of the time. Of course the media knew extensively what was going on because they were bugging Charles and Diana's mobiles, which is how the tampon tapes got out or was that one picked up by a radio ham in Oxfordshire? Either way it's all pretty accurate. I can't stand Charles or Camilla, their behaviour was dreadful and not even discreet. How William and Harry can bear to see her is beyond me.

Charles & Camilla's behaviour was so poor, that they were made to apologize at their wedding for conducting the affair. That must have hurt.

However Diana was no angel and she wasn't discreet either before the divorce.

Are we suddenly supposed to just forget Camilla and Charles had an affair during the Diana years, suddenly?

Seriously? This is keeping you awake?

If Wills and Harry can GTF over it, I think total randoms, wholly unconnected with Charles, Diana and the entire Royal Family can move on, too.

Personally I think it must just be beyond utterly shit to have to live your entire life under such scrutiny and public opinion polls. Yes, they're Royals but they're also just human beings and prone to whatever poor/good choices the rest of the population can or do make. It must be like living in the 'The Truman Show' but worse as you're actually aware of the audience watching you. I wouldn't say I feel sorry for any of the Royal family based upon the life of massive privilege they just happened to be born into. But I'd imagine it's also pretty dire when it comes to actually just wanting to crack on with an independent life as a person?

Couldn’t agree more with your entire post @Catsup

I would never condone the way that Charles and Camilla behaved, but they have kept quiet and not moaned, worked hard and gone about re-building their reputation.

The Crown is shocking - though entertaining - and I have seen people say on MN that something happened because 'I saw it on the Crown'. Some people are sadly taken in by the fiction, which is vaguely based on fact.

Currently watching the crown, Diana years is before my time. It's like watching a train wreck. Wonder if he ever loved her

Is the other main mistress in The Crown at all?

Or does it continue to airbrush out the others?

Divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived.

If the British public can accept the history of the royal family in all its glory... they should accept Charles having a wee bit of pleasure outside his arranged marriage.

While I do feel sorry for the Diana, she was really a child... the spencer family are hardly covered in glory. If my 19 year old daughter was to tell me she was marrying a man 13 years her senior she had met only 13 times my answer would absolutely be “no you’re fucking not”..

@Lesina

Divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived.

If the British public can accept the history of the royal family in all its glory... they should accept Charles having a wee bit of pleasure outside his arranged marriage.

While I do feel sorry for the Diana, she was really a child... the spencer family are hardly covered in glory. If my 19 year old daughter was to tell me she was marrying a man 13 years her senior she had met only 13 times my answer would absolutely be “no you’re fucking not”..

Technically annulled, annulled, died, annulled, annulled, survived (but not for long).

Technically annulled, annulled, died, annulled, annulled, survived (but not for long).

Anne Boleyn (No. 2) was beheaded, not divorced, or annulled.

Annulled then beheaded shortly after.

You can get thrown out of any pub quiz in England if you’re sufficiently pedantic about the number of wives Henry VIII had. Any number between 2 and 4 is arguable I reckon depending on your theological stance, but 6 is definitely not right unless your question setter is fussy enough to state “how many women did he say wedding vows to”.

Charles & Camilla's behaviour was so poor, that they were made to apologize at their wedding for conducting the affair. That must have hurt.

Actually, no - there was a passage to read about "repenting of our manifold sins", but it was spoken by the entire congregation rather than being focused on them

The Boleyn marriage was annulled when she was unanimously convicted by a court of peers, and the same day, she was taken to the Tower for her execution.

The Howard marriage wasn't formally annulled though

For the sake of a rhyme to remember their respective fates, I’m inclined think it was the beheadings that really ended Anne and Catherine’s unions with Henry, rather than an annulment.