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The royal family

Harry & Meghan, all welcome (aka positive thread, now renamed!)

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Roussette · 01/08/2020 20:35

Here we are, let's inform, discuss, share and respect. Smile

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TheChristmasPrincess · 03/08/2020 19:44

@Oldbutstillgotit

I had forgotten they went to Morocco for a couple of days then I remembered the £90,000 Dior maternity gown. Africa is remembered for the “poor me” interview . Australia etc seemed quite successful .
They were doing well with the Africa tour and were being widely praised by the media until the interview. It was a shame really!
Roussette · 03/08/2020 19:55

Adam needs his hair cut!

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Roussette · 03/08/2020 19:56

Ooopsie! Sorry, wrong thread!

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ajandjjmum · 03/08/2020 19:58

They were - really seem to have gained the kudos they had lost since the wedding, and everyone was starting to feel more positive towards them again.

Then they dive-bombed the whole thing.

Putting themselves at the front and centre, and riding roughshod over the issues they were supposed to be highlighting for the Govt.

ajandjjmum · 03/08/2020 19:58

@Roussette

Adam needs his hair cut!
No spoilers please - I'll be watching on catch-up!!! Grin
Oldbutstillgotit · 03/08/2020 19:58

Roussette

Ooopsie! Sorry, wrong thread!

You watching Corrie ??

Roussette · 03/08/2020 20:03

Yes! I've gone off Adam now his hair looks odd!

No spoilers, I promise, but don't go on Corrie thread, not that I've put much but still

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WindsorBlues · 03/08/2020 20:04

Finding Freedom Review from the Spectator

Is there anything we do not know about Harry and Meghan? They might have ‘stepped back’ as senior royals in order to avoid the media spotlight. They might have a habit of suing newspapers and photographers for breaching their privacy and a fondness for elaborate screens and fences around their various homes. But with the publication of Finding Freedom, there is surely no intimate detail of this apparently privacy-loving couple’s life that has not been made public.

We now know, word for word, the advice big brother William offered Harry when his relationship with Meghan first seemed to be getting serious – and, of course, we know exactly what Harry thought of this ‘snobby’ intervention. We know about their first date: ‘it was as if Harry was in a trance’; we know that Meghan performed a ‘perfect’ yoga pose after discussing marriage with Harry; that she FaceTimed a friend from her bath to discuss her father; we know the exact meal Harry ate with the Queen before their final meeting at Windsor. On and on it goes. No detail is too personal or simply too trivial to be left unshared.

Despite revealing details that presumably only people who were in the room when it happened could ever conceivably know, we are expected to believe that Carolyn Durand and Omid Scobie wrote Finding Freedom without input from the Sussexes. But Harry and Meghan’s silence speaks volumes. There are no threats of lawsuits against Durand and Scobie. We can only conclude that the Duke and Duchess very much approve.

And why shouldn’t they? In Finding Freedom our intrepid heroes bravely triumph over the snobby brother, the unfriendly sister-in-law and pompous palace officials. Their personal journey towards freedom and validation in a cruel world generates acres of sympathetic publicity. Pictures of a radiant Meghan smiling coyly, hand-in-hand with her defiant prince, accompany every piece. This is no doubt immensely useful when you are busy trying to market yourself as a high profile public speaker.

It’s easy to see what Harry and Meghan gain from all this drama. But what about the rest of us? Why are we so fascinated by ‘Duchess Difficult’ and the woke journey of the erstwhile ‘Playboy Prince’?

It’s not just the plot-twists and cliffhangers that keep us hooked. Harry and Meghan – and their complicated relationship with the Royal Family – reflect back to us in salacious bite-sized chunks the many ways in which society is changing. The Sussexes serve up for our delectation the generational differences that can lead to strained relationships between parents and children, grandparents and grandchildren.

The Queen is not just a monarch and head of state but a 94-year-old great grandmother: Harry may choose to reject her as an employer but remains tied to her by blood. Yet he has opted for a radically different set of values than those he inherited at birth.
Where Harry and Meghan share every intimate detail of their lives with the world, the Queen and Prince Philip offer only rare snapshots. We know how Harry and Meghan feel about everything and everyone: the Queen and Prince Philip keep their counsel. Her Majesty embodies a lifelong commitment to service and duty, Harry and Meghan seem dedicated only to themselves. Whereas the Queen, as head of state, is rooted within the nation, Harry and Meghan have more in common with a global elite than people here in the UK.
These differences soon become political. The Queen might carefully avoid expressing her views in public but Harry and Meghan have no such compunction. From feminism to Black Lives Matter to environmentalism, we know exactly where their sympathies lie. Through the Sussexes we see exactly how corrosive woke politics are to personal relationships. Finding Freedom turns up one family grievance after another.
The couple seem to perceive microaggressions everywhere. From William’s advice that Harry should take things slowly with ‘this girl’ to complaints from staff who do not want to be emailed instructions at 5am, every encounter is deemed to be an expression of deep-rooted racism. Relationships cannot survive such scrutiny. Loyalty to family, monarchy and country is jettisoned in the desire to expose every awkward glance and clumsy phrase. The more hard done the Duke and Duchess appear, the more sympathy they garner from friends and allies.
Finding Freedom suggests that Harry and Meghan are a thin-skinned couple prepared to sell out close family members in the name of settling petty gripes and grievances. They seem to care about nothing and no one other than themselves. Yet their story fascinates us because it represents the clash of values playing out at the heart of our own society and within our own families: between a culture based on dignity and one based on victimhood. Sadly for the Sussexes, exposing microaggressions and making personal grievances public does not appear to make for a happy life.

derxa · 03/08/2020 20:17

Sadly for the Sussexes, exposing microaggressions and making personal grievances public does not appear to make for a happy life.
That's the problem in one sentence.

My0My · 03/08/2020 20:25

The Spectator is spot on with this review. It’s clear they had a hand in this, probably vis friends, and no court action! So when only two people are in a room and the exact words said are reported, I think we know who leaked!

KatherineParr4 · 03/08/2020 20:35

WindsorBlues

Great post

TheChristmasPrincess · 03/08/2020 20:48

@Roussette 😲

How dare you post on other threads!

😉

Justmuddlingalong · 03/08/2020 20:51

I found the introduction music on the Craig Ferguson clip both ironic and quite amusing.

Oldbutstillgotit · 03/08/2020 20:53

The Spectator is 100% spot on .

SunbathingDragon · 03/08/2020 20:54

Finding Freedom suggests that Harry and Meghan are a thin-skinned couple prepared to sell out close family members in the name of settling petty gripes and grievances. They seem to care about nothing and no one other than themselves.

If others in Hollywood or the circles needed to be taken seriously as a speaker agree with The Spectator, then I wonder whether this book will damage H&M’s chance of having the lifestyle they wish. After all, few will want to be associated with a couple who are so thin skinned and quick to litigate, especially when you take into account they either corroborated with the book and lied or else (at best) are so loose lips they’ve told enough people every last imaginable detail about their private lives for the journalists to find two who talked.

Roussette · 03/08/2020 20:56

@TheChristmasPrincess

How dare you post on other threads!

I know Blush
I'm prostrating myself in front of everyone and asking to be forgiven 😁

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My0My · 03/08/2020 21:06

I think Americans are very pro Meghan though - one of our own and wronged as well!

Wheresthebeach · 03/08/2020 21:06

Well the Spectator sums it up rather nicely.

Wolfgirrl · 03/08/2020 21:17

I just cannot see how they will make the money they need to maintain their lifestyle after reviews like that?

My0My · 03/08/2020 21:24

But the Americans might be far more accepting, less critical, and think Meghan’s right. That she was rejected and everything in the book is the truth! After all, she’s after American money and being brave enough to stand up to persecutors is very American in outlook.

Wolfgirrl · 03/08/2020 21:34

A thought Americans loved the queen etc?

SunbathingDragon · 03/08/2020 21:40

I’m already interested to look back on the history books and see how this pandemic is viewed and the consequences of us leaving the EU, so I’ll be able to add checking to see whether things worked out for H&M as well.

StartupRepair · 03/08/2020 21:41

The Australia tour was a bit mixed. Meghan was newly pregnant so it can't have been easy for her but there are persistent rumours of anger towards staff. At the time what I noticed was how much less engaged Harry was with the Invictus Games than previously.

ButteryPuffin · 03/08/2020 21:46

With hindsight, the Australia tour was very unfortunately timed, what with Zika and
Meghan being in early pregnancy when you're often completely exhausted. I know I was. I'm guessing it was set up well in advance. However, since they'd said they wanted to start a family some contingency planning around that might have been nice. That hasn't been mentioned yet as featuring in FF, so I'll have to see when I get my copy. I would actually consider that a legitimate complaint on their part, rather than all the flowers and tiara stuff, as that could have made a real impact on her/their health.

ButteryPuffin · 03/08/2020 21:53

The Spectator's point about them being 'thin skinned' is spot on. I have always found this odd about Meghan because of her actress background - my understanding is that auditions and casting processes are brutal and you have to get used to criticism of your looks, mannerisms, voice, everything, and brush it off to succeed. Racism is a different matter but they both seem very wounded by things I would have thought she'd have had a lot worse of in her acting career.