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Cats & Killing

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Findmeintheshed · 12/11/2022 22:27

So my cat (was a rescue and I've had a cat before) is becoming an expert hunter.
She's on a prescription diet (via the vets) because she is hungry all the time and is overweight (from stealing food mostly - she will eat pretty much anything).

She hunts (free access to the outdoors, we live on a very quiet road) and then brings in her catches to show us and then eat them.

I literally can not get those catches off her, she's the most stubborn and badass cat I've ever known. I actually think if I threw a bucket of cold water over her she wouldn't let go of her catch. She would cruise through the bush tucker trials without blinking.

She's learnt I try my best to get them off her if they are still alive, so mostly she brings them in dead now.

I usually manage to get her into the kitchen/diner and shut the door on her and deal with the mess when she's done.

However I have a small child and I hate the idea that my cat is bringing in amongst other things rats and eating them and leaving the entrails etc on the rug.
Obviously I clean up as best I can and discourage dc playing on the rug.

But I feel absolutely grossed out about rats. I've had a prolific hunting cat before, but she never brought in rats. This one does.

I know I could have no rug. But there's a sofa in that room too, so I'd rather leave the rug there so at least she doesn't use the sofa as her dining table!

Any ideas. I couldn't shut her in permanently, she's a rescue and she has tasted freedom for too long. Plus she's got way too much energy and needs to go out.

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Findmeintheshed · 12/11/2022 22:39

I'm thinking of cutting her nails down, then she might not be able to bring down a rat (she would let me, because she fears nothing so is not bothered about things like that) is that insane?

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fucketyfuckwit · 12/11/2022 22:41

There is not a lot you can do.

Can you keep her in at night?

SunflowerBoop · 12/11/2022 22:47

Does she have a bell collar? Also, do you ever play with her with a piece of string/ribbon? That helps to tire ours out.

thelobsterquadrille · 12/11/2022 23:44

Cat flap that only allows her to get out.

That way, you only let her inside if she doesn't have her kills with her.

Singleandproud · 13/11/2022 00:48

I don't have a cat flap and my cats come in through my bedroom window. They knock on the window to tell me they want to come in which means I can control what is brought in, it's annoying because sometimes I have to get up several times but it's infinitely better than having frogs and bat's brought in.

Findmeintheshed · 13/11/2022 10:02

thelobsterquadrille · 12/11/2022 23:44

Cat flap that only allows her to get out.

That way, you only let her inside if she doesn't have her kills with her.

Not a bad idea, but that does mean disturbed sleep for the next 10-15 years which I'm sure will have a health impact on me because I struggle when I don't sleep well.

I'm also pretty sure I wouldn't hear her knocking at the cat flap every time when I'm in bed in deep sleep.
I guess I could make her a cat flap into my shed, she could go there at night, but then I'd have to check that for kills and clean it up there insteadSad

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Findmeintheshed · 13/11/2022 10:03

I've tried a collar with a bell, I'm not sure how much difference they make, I think most cat catch things stealthily so the bell doesn't ring then

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Foxfeeder · 13/11/2022 10:07

If she’s bringing things in at night ir early morning, use a cat flap with a curfew so she can’t get out at dusk/dawn. I’ve got a cat who was an unneutered stray Tom till he was 5. He adapted very well to this arrangement.

TheHauntedPencilCase · 13/11/2022 10:08

Is it mostly at night? I have the same issue. I've now had a month of keeping her in at night. She knows and a couple of times has brought something in at about 9pm instead. I have a rule, if she's out when I go to bed she's locked in the kitchen and I have to go and clean up in the morning but if she's in then I shut the cat flap and she's in all night. In the summer I'm thinking of locking her out at night if she's not in. Bells make no difference and she's a ninja at getting out of collars. Usually it's tiny mice which I can cope with but she's brought live rats in a few times now and they must taste bad as she doesn't eat them and then I have to catch them. She's a furry horror.

AncientBallerina · 13/11/2022 10:11

We only let ours out during bright daylight- we were told dawn and dusk were the main hunting times. The cat flap is locked overnight. Also a bell collar. We haven’t had any ‘gifts’ for ages, thinking about after a few tragedies. Pygmy shrew 😢

jimjamy · 13/11/2022 10:28

She's dealing with the rat problem, that sounds good to me. Goodness knows why you are trying to help the rats escape.

Can you be braver?
I think cat will eat on floor with or without rug - but not sure.
If you continue to discourage bringing kills in and also take away corpses, she might stop bringing them in. Mine did.

Hoppinggreen · 13/11/2022 10:30

Findmeintheshed · 12/11/2022 22:39

I'm thinking of cutting her nails down, then she might not be able to bring down a rat (she would let me, because she fears nothing so is not bothered about things like that) is that insane?

Yes it is, and possibly cruel.
Its part of having a cat I’m afraid, some are hunters and always will be.

SkankingWombat · 13/11/2022 10:37

If it is mostly rats then let her crack on! I would be very grateful if our cat was catching rats she doesn't because she's crap at hunting. She would have starved a long time ago if it wasn't for her human servants keeping her supplied with meaty chunks Otherwise I agree that you either keep her in at night (if that's when it is happening), or only ever have the cat flap set to out only.

viques · 13/11/2022 10:43

If she is going outside her claws will wear down naturally, so please don’t clip them any shorter, if she needed to escape from a loose dog or a fox for example she needs to be able to climb fences or a tree . And whatever people tell you to the contrary foxes do chase cats. As others have said, keep her in at night which is when she is most likely to be hunting.

IToldYouAmillionTimesAlready · 13/11/2022 10:43

You say your cat is overweight, but she must still be pretty fit and agile, if she's able to catch prey.

If it were my cat (and I've had many cats, over the past 42 years), I'd STOP the prescription diet food, and ignore what the vet says - most vets will flog "special" food, without it being necessary. I'd feed the cat poached or grilled chicken portions, and tinned fish (mackerel, tuna, etc) in OIL. Cats need a good amount of protein. If the cat is fed well, and enough of, good quality fresh protein, it won't want or need to kill and eat birds and mice.

Cyclistmumgrandma · 13/11/2022 10:58

So, "Ignore the vet's advice". What could possibly go wrong with the cat's health???

DrMadelineMaxwell · 13/11/2022 11:02

I don't know if they work but I've seen cat flaps advertised that us AI to detect if the cat is carrying prey and not let them in if they are.

thelobsterquadrille · 13/11/2022 11:21

Unfortunately @Findmeintheshed, everything you describe is part and parcel
of having a cat.

They're crepuscular (active at dawn and dusk) and they're hunters. So they will be up and about early in the morning and they will want to bring in prey and chase it around the house.

If you struggle with sleep, could you use a cat flap but have it so that the cat only has access to one room of the house? So she can come in/out as she pleases but at least her kills are contained?

AncientBallerina · 13/11/2022 13:34

Re cat flaps- our smart fluffy friend has learned to override the setting that is supposed to only let her in and not out! She presses the release button with one paw and pushes open the flap with the other! So: full lock 🔒 🙀

Dontsayyouloveme · 13/11/2022 13:39

Yeah… I started keeping my cat in at night.. so she just brings me dead stuff in the day now instead..

bloody nightmare tbh 😩🥺

Findmeintheshed · 13/11/2022 13:53

jimjamy · 13/11/2022 10:28

She's dealing with the rat problem, that sounds good to me. Goodness knows why you are trying to help the rats escape.

Can you be braver?
I think cat will eat on floor with or without rug - but not sure.
If you continue to discourage bringing kills in and also take away corpses, she might stop bringing them in. Mine did.

The rats are a new thing, I wouldn't knowingly be in the same room as a live rat, those luckily she kills before bringing them in, presumably rats aren't as fun to play with before you eat them as mice and birds are Sad

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Findmeintheshed · 13/11/2022 13:54

I'm going to try the strict nighttime curfew.
She'll either come in or be locked out for the night.
She's a bright cat, she'll quickly work out the routine, so we'll see what happens next!

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SuperFi · 15/11/2022 22:22

I feel for you OP I have a terrible phobia of rats,, My cat was thankfully a hopeless hunter, just used to watch birds for ages wiggling his bottom,. I miss him so.

I have seen this cctv for cat flaps thing:www.onlycat.com. Don’t know if they are any good though.

TheHauntedPencilCase · 20/11/2022 19:46

I don't know how you're getting on OP but after settling in really well to being kept in at night our dear cat brought us a mouse in during early evening yesterday 🤦‍♀️

ChristmasCakeAndStilton · 20/11/2022 19:51

DC has a bell, and is locked in overnight.
We still get the occasional present, but nothing like her record 6 mice in an evening before we were millitant about collars and curfews.....

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