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The vet says our cat needs fat camp

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WildFlowerBees · 11/05/2022 12:54

He's overweight apparently which I was a bit shocked about because he doesn't seem to eat much and he's a 'big' cat but there we are I'm a terrible cat slave.

He eats both wet and dry he won't just stick to one. Is there a formula to help them slowly lose weight healthily?

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Asimhereanyway · 11/05/2022 13:06

How much are you actually feeding him? There are generally guides to the amount of the food they should have on the packages.

those tiny cat treats are really small but problematic. I saw a TV vet saying each tiny treat is the equivalent of us eating a jam doughnut. We wouldn’t eat 5 doughnuts in one go but would give a cat 5 little treats!

he could also be eating elsewhere I suppose.

Beamur · 11/05/2022 13:10

Weight the food. Stick to the guidelines. Be less generous with treats.
I think it's much harder to slim cats down if they go out because they can catch more food! Or visit friends for snacks..

WildFlowerBees · 11/05/2022 13:28

We don't give them treats ever and we have a large garden but it's enclosed so he's not eating elsewhere.

He's such a fussy eater I guess it's been too easy to underestimate how much he's actually eating. Vet wants us to reduce his food intake by 30% but that seems quite a lot given weight loss is meant to be slow?

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Beamur · 11/05/2022 13:31

It sounds a lot but presumably vet is thinking that you're overfeeding him, so not only do you have to cut back to the 'right' level, but it has to be below that for weight loss to happen.

Summerholidayorcovidagain · 11/05/2022 13:33

Mm think a pic is needed here op.

SoupDragon · 11/05/2022 13:36

My vet also suggested an "anti gulp bowl" to slow down his eating when we had a FatCat.

is he also lazy like mine was? Playing with him was also suggested but he was having none of it.

loopylindi · 11/05/2022 13:39

One of our cats was overweight and what is apparently only a small amount to a human is actually a big proportion of your cats' total weight. We bought a product specially for weight loss called Metabolic. We were concerned he wouldn't like it but when he got hungry that was overrcome. It did work, he did lose weight, now he still eats that as maintenance plus half a sachet of wet food at night. We did have to buy an automatic feeder for his sister, so he didn't steal her food as well

RedGazelle · 11/05/2022 13:42

We’ve managed to get our cat to lose 1kg but it has taken us 3 years!

We have done:
diet food
feeding to her desired weight, weighing her food and making sure she only eats what a cat of her desired weight should be eating.
puzzle feeder (we no longer use this but it helped get her used to eating more slowly)
feeding only at set times and ignoring any begging in between

SoupDragon · 11/05/2022 13:45

Yes, I think weighing the food is essential. I had lots of little Tupperware boxes with a day's food in them which I fed him through out the day. I'd weigh out a week or two at once.

SoupDragon · 11/05/2022 13:46

Start with some easy changes and see if they make a difference.

FurBabyMum02 · 11/05/2022 13:47

Asimhereanyway · 11/05/2022 13:06

How much are you actually feeding him? There are generally guides to the amount of the food they should have on the packages.

those tiny cat treats are really small but problematic. I saw a TV vet saying each tiny treat is the equivalent of us eating a jam doughnut. We wouldn’t eat 5 doughnuts in one go but would give a cat 5 little treats!

he could also be eating elsewhere I suppose.

I literally ate 4 jam donuts this morning 🤭 I'm ravenous at the moment though as breastfeeding and I was pumping at the time.
OP we also have a larger madame tortie and were told to just up play initially and see how that went in 3 months and then possibly reduce food then if needs be. She wasn't having it the first couple of days but has slowly started playing for longer so I have hope.

WildFlowerBees · 11/05/2022 13:48

We have new microchip feeders so neither can yaffle each other's so that's starting today. I'm just a bit concerned about the 30% reduction. This is the same vet that has told me to get a toothbrush and clean both my cats teeth daily 😳 (no dental issues) I lost a finger already just getting him to the vet there's no way I'm cleaning his bloody teeth!

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OrlandointheWilderness · 11/05/2022 13:54

Oh OP.

This is Big Rose. She has been on a diet for 4 years. She weighs exactly the same as she did 4 years ago. We've tried food restrictions, v experience diet food, keeping her in, collars to prevent 'snacks'. She bullies everyone into feeding her - my DF is particularly weak at resisting as she gets violent if hungry!

Good luck OP.

The vet says our cat needs fat camp
The vet says our cat needs fat camp
powershowerforanhour · 11/05/2022 13:57

"Vet wants us to reduce his food intake by 30% but that seems quite a lot given weight loss is meant to be slow?"

I have never seen a healthy cat (or dog) dieted and lose weight too fast. Like, never. Ever. In 20 years as a vet.

Presumably he is neutered.
And sleeps indoors (and has fur unless hairless variety) , so needs to expend hardly any calories keeping warm.
And doesn't go any further than the enclosed garden, so his exercise is negligible. I do not really count pratting about with a feather on a stick for 10 minutes- it amuses them and is good for their mental health but calorie-wise is like me counting put the bin down once a week or emptying the dishwasher as exercise.

So you have to rely on cutting the food back. Hard. Have a look at the back of the packet but bear in mind pretty much all the food companies, even the good ones, err on the side of recommending too much (sells more food and saves that one lawsuit in America where some dickhead ignored the state of the dog and robotically kept feeding the amount recommended and that one in a million dog with an unusually high metabolic rate/ calorie requirement got thin and died. Or that is what the Hills rep once told me).

Weigh the food out, feed him for about 3.5kg in the hopes of reaching 4 or 4.5 or whatever he's meant to be, and weigh him every month, then when he is the right weight increase his food a little and keep weighing him. Simples.

I think "losing weight dangerously fast" is a very overstated risk. Most wild mammals in temperate climates would be very very lean at the end of winter, for example- they can cope with fluctuations. Hepatic lipidosis in uncommon and tends to happen in obese cats that are completely anorexic due to illness, the illness that caused the anorexia placing a lot of oxidative stress on the liver anyway.

PowerfulWombSpaceRespector · 11/05/2022 14:01

This is the same vet that has told me to get a toothbrush and clean both my cats teeth daily

Has this vet ever actually met a cat?

Ds saw a cat toothbrush on Amazon and asked me to get it. For £2.50 I thought why not. It arrived and he went off with it and the cat. Came back later looking more than a little flustered and hasn't been near it since.

WildFlowerBees · 11/05/2022 14:08

powershowerforanhour · 11/05/2022 13:57

"Vet wants us to reduce his food intake by 30% but that seems quite a lot given weight loss is meant to be slow?"

I have never seen a healthy cat (or dog) dieted and lose weight too fast. Like, never. Ever. In 20 years as a vet.

Presumably he is neutered.
And sleeps indoors (and has fur unless hairless variety) , so needs to expend hardly any calories keeping warm.
And doesn't go any further than the enclosed garden, so his exercise is negligible. I do not really count pratting about with a feather on a stick for 10 minutes- it amuses them and is good for their mental health but calorie-wise is like me counting put the bin down once a week or emptying the dishwasher as exercise.

So you have to rely on cutting the food back. Hard. Have a look at the back of the packet but bear in mind pretty much all the food companies, even the good ones, err on the side of recommending too much (sells more food and saves that one lawsuit in America where some dickhead ignored the state of the dog and robotically kept feeding the amount recommended and that one in a million dog with an unusually high metabolic rate/ calorie requirement got thin and died. Or that is what the Hills rep once told me).

Weigh the food out, feed him for about 3.5kg in the hopes of reaching 4 or 4.5 or whatever he's meant to be, and weigh him every month, then when he is the right weight increase his food a little and keep weighing him. Simples.

I think "losing weight dangerously fast" is a very overstated risk. Most wild mammals in temperate climates would be very very lean at the end of winter, for example- they can cope with fluctuations. Hepatic lipidosis in uncommon and tends to happen in obese cats that are completely anorexic due to illness, the illness that caused the anorexia placing a lot of oxidative stress on the liver anyway.

Thank you! I've worked out the calories of all his foods and we have a plan so I have all crossed we can get him more svelte. He's currently 6kgs says he's a 7 and says he should be 5kg but he doesn't look it to me, last time we saw the vet (different one) he said he's a lovely big cat no mention of him being a fatty.

I told her that there was no way I was risking my limb trying to clean his teeth. Also he'd be horribly stressed.

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WildFlowerBees · 11/05/2022 14:10

OrlandointheWilderness · 11/05/2022 13:54

Oh OP.

This is Big Rose. She has been on a diet for 4 years. She weighs exactly the same as she did 4 years ago. We've tried food restrictions, v experience diet food, keeping her in, collars to prevent 'snacks'. She bullies everyone into feeding her - my DF is particularly weak at resisting as she gets violent if hungry!

Good luck OP.

Bless Rose! I am dreading the 'you're starving me' meows and the hard stares.

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powershowerforanhour · 11/05/2022 14:14

"We were concerned he wouldn't like it but when he got hungry that was overrcome."

This, in a nutshell. Both of my daughters regularly start whingeing about how hungry they are about half an hour after a dinner they've hardly eaten any of. "OK the leftover dinner is in the fridge. Would you like me to heat it up?" "No I don't waaant it. I'm huuuungry. Can I have some crisps/breakfast cereal/bread?" "Nope. Dinner or nothing. If you don't want it go and put your pyjamas on and be glad you're not in Mariupol".

I wish I had a pound for every owner of an obese pet handwringing over how picky and fussy the pet is when I suggest cutting out treats/all the topdressing of chicken, mince, gravy/ feeding diet food. They'd be better off handwringing over the diabetic risk (cats) pancreatitis risk (dogs) or arthritis risk (both).

Summerholidayorcovidagain · 11/05/2022 14:15

Does your dcat like veg op? Ours sits happily munching a plate of veg every night!!
At the table on a chair.

WildFlowerBees · 11/05/2022 14:19

Summerholidayorcovidagain · 11/05/2022 14:15

Does your dcat like veg op? Ours sits happily munching a plate of veg every night!!
At the table on a chair.

This is hilarious, I'm sure it's not meant to be but you come top in the cat slavery tables!

I don't want him to suffer as he gets older, he's 13 I don't want him to have any diseases I could've prevented by keeping him at his ideal weight. I've worked out 30% less so I have all crossed he just gets on with it!

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powershowerforanhour · 11/05/2022 14:20

"told her that there was no way I was risking my limb trying to clean his teeth. Also he'd be horribly stressed."

Fair enough. The vet is right in that daily brushing knocks every other dental health measure out of the park in terms of effectiveness but trying to teach an adult cat to tolerate it is difficult and probably in a good few cases practically impossible. The risk of injury to the human, stress to both of you and making the pet headshy and buggering up the pet/owner bond is quite high and in a lot of cases not worth it. Do brace yourself for the cost of occasional scale and polishes in future though.

VeryQuaintIrene · 11/05/2022 14:22

You could always find a vet with a fondness for fatties - that worked for us!

powershowerforanhour · 11/05/2022 14:28

"last time we saw the vet (different one) he said he's a lovely big cat no mention of him being a fatty."

Sometimes we lose the will to have the fat talk for the 15th time that day.
Anyway, 30% should make a good difference especially since he's not getting fed elsewhere. Good luck and I know it sounds patronising and twee but...thanks for caring. Thanks for trying. I see loads of fat pets past the age of 10 with owners who just limply say, "oh well he's always been chunky, so what can you do?" with no intention of listening or trying to do anything.

RandomMess · 11/05/2022 14:39

DCat is possibly fussy with his food because he isn't actually that hungry.

Although friends had "Fat Sid" who I both loved and was scared of. He was huge swaying belly the works but he would still catch and eat voles 🤷🏽‍♀️

I get mine to chase their kibble biscuits one at a time down the hall way for some exercise.

Fluffycloudland77 · 11/05/2022 14:39

Tbf to Big Rose I don’t deal with hunger well either. Never have.

Op we need a picture, my Bengal was 6.5kg but solid muscle. If he’s a big lad is it muscle?