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To all the CATholic cats

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Toddlerteaplease · 17/03/2022 19:19

Happy feast of St Gertrude, patron saint of cats.

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murality · 17/03/2022 19:29

Joanie isn't a Catholic but is prepared to say she believes in god if it means extra Dreamies on this auspicious day?

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Fluffycloudland77 · 17/03/2022 19:36

Puddy knows she’s going to get dreamies anyway but wonders why it isn’t known that cats are god?

ISpyCobraKai · 17/03/2022 19:40

This is Eponine enjoying the sun, on my/her bed of course.
I call her Supercat as a few years ago she got hit by a car, and lost a leg, a toe and a tooth.
She's still here though and absolutely rules the roost, the other two cats know it too!

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MacavityTheDentistsCat · 17/03/2022 19:42

Eponine!!! Fabulous name for a cat!

ISpyCobraKai · 17/03/2022 19:43

This is Matilda, she's my pretty one because of her colours, she's quite independent and pretends she doesn't like cuddles but she really does, and will head bump me for some.
Also most likely to walk on my face in the night!

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Easterbunnyiswindowshopping · 17/03/2022 19:44

Dcats 'idol'..

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ISpyCobraKai · 17/03/2022 19:45

@MacavityTheDentistsCat

Eponine!!! Fabulous name for a cat!
She's named after Eponine in Les Miserables.
ISpyCobraKai · 17/03/2022 19:48

This is Jemima, my secret favourite.
She's tiny, I swear she never grew, she's also horribly annoying, pees on the floor and drives me mad.
My gorgeous wee girl though 😍

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AppleButter · 17/03/2022 20:06

Thats lovely. I didn’t know there was a
Patron saint of cats, and thought the church had a tense history with cats.

MacavityTheDentistsCat · 17/03/2022 20:28

@ISpyCobraKai: Yes - I got the reference! It's a great name. I read the book years ago and she was my favourite character. Smart and resourceful and loses her looks at a young age due to her hard life. Perfect name for your cat! (Not that SHE looks like she's having a hard life now, mind you! Grin)

TheBalletCats · 20/03/2022 22:52

The BalletCats (who also enjoy the patronage of St Vitus) have directed me to apologise for my shameful & utterly unacceptable lateness by sharing Heaney’s version of Pangur Bán with you Grin

Catholics have Saints for everything - one of my absolute favourites is St Notburga, from a wee village in Austria, whose portfolio includes chickens & leisure time.

Did you mean the early modern trend for thinking cats = witches’ familiars when you said “tense history” @AppleButter? Because that wasn’t limited to cats: hares were heavily under suspicion; [black] dogs* (usually hounds) were not “just” Grim-type omen-things; & in East Anglia, mice became particularly common after Hopkins’ ascendency (small & easily hidden). The frontispiece of Hopkins’ 1647 The Discovery of Witches is a lovely example of how it was understood that a familiar could be any animal. Even tiny horses that literally do not exist, but hey. WIIIIIIIITCH! Obviously my examples relate to the English witch trials (England as distinct from elsewhere in UK) & thus the Protestant Church (specifically, the Church of England) but the Catholic Church really wasn’t going a bundle on “well cats are secretly totally demons” either.

Black cats are traditionally bringers of good luck in Britain & Ireland: Europe you get a patchwork-complex picture, which will doubtless have tipped the scales in the US to their being unlucky. In Italy hearing a cat sneeze is considered lucky - if the church had got into a whole “evil cats!” thing, that belief couldn’t have endured. In purely practical terms, the Catholic Church needed cats (& was very aware of this). Ian Paisley Sr himself couldn’t better some of the absolute shite that gets published online about the Catholic Church** including - crucially & relevantly - all the nonsense about Gregory IX & C13 Catholics engaging in cat slaughter on such a scale they in fact caused the development of the Black Death.

I’m not meaning you’ve some kind of sectarian agenda AppleButter am just reflecting on how efficiently History, as a discipline, can be disrupted. [Near-]infinite information always at your fingertips sounds too good to be true, & of course it is, with “alternate facts” (as opposed to endless reinterpretations of actual known information) trying to elbow their way in; & if you’ve received the information about Gregory IX in good faith it feels like a cruel thing for someone to have done to you (you-you & more-generally people-you both) as well as the “simple” sectarianism involved. Particularly vicious bit of Bad History.

  • Prince Rupert’s poodle, Boy, was deliberately shot at the Battle of Marston Moor in 1644 - a not-insignificant number of the Parliamentarian side believed he had supernatural powers. There were claims Boy could find treasure, catch bullets in his mouth, and issue prophecies. ** Because apparently the genuine & very serious issues aren’t enough? Hmm
Allergictoironing · 21/03/2022 08:08

Nice treatise Ballet. Smile

I gather a lot of the "cats are witches familiars" thing came from them often being the pet of choice for elderly single women. Comforting company, can feed themselves mostly, keep vermin down. Therefore odds were that the people most likely to be accused of being witches, tended also to being a cat owning demograph.

Want2beme · 21/03/2022 10:48

I missed this. But, here's mine, a little late. Gertrude is my mum's confirmation nameGrin

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TheBalletCats · 21/03/2022 11:09

Bit longer than I meant it to be there, Allergic Blush

We’ve got particularly fixated on the idea of witches & cats across the modern period: popular culture has a lot to answer for - as does, I think, the question of class (people in power always need to make explicit they are Not Like Those People). As you say, cats are basically an accessible pet; they’re also ones who were largely expected to contribute to the household (via pest-control) until very recently. (Kipling’s The Cat Who Walked By Himself is a perfect illustration of how the role of the cat in the early C20 household was understood.)

Familiars were of course a huge thing in Pendle & East Anglia - but those accused of witchcraft in Wales somehow managed to own cats without said felines getting dragged into things. Iceland had plenty of cat ownership, but it was men who needed to fear witchcraft accusations there rather than women (21 men were executed but only 1 woman).

TheBalletCats · 21/03/2022 11:12

@Want2beme
Just for a wee moment there I thought you’d had [one of] your cats confirmed Blush

Toddlerteaplease · 21/03/2022 11:17

Betty & Zena are so holy that they have their own chapel.Grin

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Allergictoironing · 21/03/2022 17:16

Wow didn't know that about Iceland BalletCats. And I certainly wasn't being critical about the length of your earlier post, I thoroughly enjoyed it Smile

TheBalletCats · 21/03/2022 20:44

@Toddlerteaplease - are they hoping to finally balance out St Guinefort?

Thank you AllergicToIroning - I get very anxious about [accidentally] information dumping at people because I’m aware it is a thing I do; that I do it Because Autism; & that trying to manage it in online spaces [that don’t have character limits] is HARD. The wee MN comment box doesn’t give you any clues on “yes, this is a normal amount of information on a topic people would find appropriate/interesting/useful (etc) to share”. Screeds more has been written now, but Keith Thomas’ Religion and the Decline of Magic is still glorious for looking at England in the C16 & C17 through those lenses if it’s something that interests you. Cats in rather disappointingly short supply, but you can’t have it all…

Want2beme · 21/03/2022 21:07

[quote TheBalletCats]@Want2beme
Just for a wee moment there I thought you’d had [one of] your cats confirmed Blush[/quote]
Ha, ha - imagineGrin Hmm

Allergictoironing · 21/03/2022 21:42

Link doesn't work Sad. Plantagenet (slightly earlier I know) and Tudor are among my favorite periods of history too.

Just read the link to St Guinefort - almost identical to the story of Gelert in Wales, that the town Bedgelert is named after!

Toddlerteaplease · 21/03/2022 21:57

@TheBalletCats yes I think so,their slave is a Dominican

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Toddlerteaplease · 21/03/2022 21:58

@Allergictoironing I thought I'd heard that story before!

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AppleButter · 24/03/2022 09:54

The story of gelert makes me cry every time.

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