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New kittens and needing advice! (Yes, there's a picture!)

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ThisMustBeMyDream · 23/12/2021 00:50

I've just brought these two little (nameless as yet!) fluffballs home. They are 9 weeks tomorrow, and I will have had them for a week then too. I have a few questions/worries and would appreciate any words of wisdom. These aren't my first kitten experiences, but it is my first time with kittens like these two.
When I viewed them it was all outdoors, due to covid. So the kittens were all brought out to me one by one and I had to make a decision without being able to watch them all interacting and playing (I did see mum cat, and dad cat - the cats were farm cats). Some of the kittens were frightened by being brought outdoors, but the two I chose didn't seem frightened at all. One of the kittens I chose was the runt of the litter. There is quite a considerable size difference between her and her sister. I have managed to weigh them today, and big kit is 1.1kg, little kit is 625g. Little kitten is definitely the fiesty one of the two. She is the boss of her sister. She was the first to come out for food and using the litter tray. She will butt her sister out of the way for food, and big kit just acquiesces! She is the one I will see when I enter the room they are in. She will stop when I enter, but big kit will just run for cover, or will not have been out at all. Both kittens are still not wanting to be handled or stroked, they won't come for treats. They will allow me to interact with play, but if I move or make any slight noise, big kit legs it for cover. Little kit has let me gently hold her and light strokes, but you can see she is reluctant, so I'm not sure whether to leave her or keep trying to handle her to get her more used to it.
Initially both cats have been in my bedroom, with their hidey bed, litter tray, food and toys. They have had the run of the space. I have another cat so I have needed to take things slowly and swap scent etc. as my cat has previously had a negative experience with a cat we looked after for a while. My cat is used to living with other cats though, and we have feliway plug ins all over to hopefully help too if any teething troubles. So I'm not anticipating too much trouble, but I don't want to make any errors with them.
I have bought a large play pen type thing today and moved the kittens in to the dining room. This is so that they can't spend all their time hidden, and make handling them easier as not having to reach under beds and coax out. It will also mean they start to experience more of the general household noises and so the cat and kittens will both feel safe with any meetings for now. The kittens are being let loose multiple times a day when they are awake and ready to play, and I'm hoping in a few more days and meetings with my cat that the play pen won't be needed.
I'm just not sure what to do with the skittishness, particularly of big kit. Do I persist in trying to persuade them to come to me. Or do I pick them up and try to get them used to being handled? My previous experience with kittens was that they all wanted to be in my arms and petted 24/7 pretty much! I have never had to segregate the kitten or use a play pen.
Also, regarding the size difference, it seems rather a lot. I've put a picture on of them from above, and it doesn't quite capture how big the difference is in real life, but hopefully you will have an idea. Both kittens are definitely 9 weeks, little kit otherwise has all the hallmarks of being the same age as her sister. Should I do anything differently? Little kit is obviously small for her age, but seems otherwise healthy and robust. The vet tells me they have no appointments until into the new year, so they can't even have their vaccinations as yet, let alone a check over.
Thanks for any advice Grin.

New kittens and needing advice! (Yes, there's a picture!)
New kittens and needing advice! (Yes, there's a picture!)
New kittens and needing advice! (Yes, there's a picture!)
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lljkk · 23/12/2021 01:01

I adopted skittish kittens- I went for lots of 10-20 second cuddles to get them used to handling. Scoop up, strokes, put down once every 4-10 minutes when they were awake. They have calmed a lot.

nordica · 23/12/2021 01:10

Absolutely handle them as much as possible. These early weeks in their life are crucial for socialisation and it's totally different from what you'd do with a shy adult cat. The small pen is ideal, and keep picking them up and cuddling lots. You can wrap a kitten in a towel and cuddle that way if it's easier while watching TV and so on.

BobbieT1999 · 23/12/2021 01:23

They're beautiful!

Agree with lots of gentle handling, and just let them know that you will let them go when they wish so they learn to trust.

Gentle, firm, confident trust , like children they appreciate boundaries and knowing you're in charge; as long as they know you'll respect their consent (or lack of).

BobbieT1999 · 23/12/2021 01:23

*confident touch

Winniemarysarah · 23/12/2021 01:34

Also agree with handling as much as possible at this age, even when they protest!

ThisMustBeMyDream · 23/12/2021 10:12

Thank you, handling it is. I'm at work today, but my other half is home and will pick them up regularly through the day. I can only imagine they haven't been handled much prior. I do hope they come around, we have a busy household with 3 adults and 3 children, plus another cat 🤞🤞🤞🤞

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Fluffycloudland77 · 23/12/2021 13:17

I agree lots of handling, they have to learn humans are nice.

ThisMustBeMyDream · 23/12/2021 22:24

Nightmare evening with big kit. She is now hissing and going mad at me even trying to go near. She is clearly scared of human contact. On the other hand, there was a face to face meeting of kittens and cat. Big kit was very receptive to it, actively went up to my cat, lay down and revealed her tummy for her! My cat wasn't overly impressed, and did run off after that, but was given copious treats for her good behaviour.
Oh kittens... what conundrums you are!!!!

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ThisMustBeMyDream · 23/12/2021 22:24

I have some lovely scratches for my attempts at handling. I've called it a night after two attempts have gone wrong Sad.

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Fluffycloudland77 · 23/12/2021 22:27

You’ve just got to keep going with them. Maybe seeing you with big cat will prove your not trying to murder them.

Brusca · 23/12/2021 22:37

What do you know about where they came from? They look quite skinny to me (though it's a very long time since I've had kittens) and 8 weeks is too early to leave mum.

LemonSwan · 23/12/2021 22:41

Aww they are gorgeous!

Defo do the long blinks at them and the lie on the floor head bumps and head stroking. Sounds weird but they will think your their mum soon.

Then fall asleep this xmas for a midday nap and they will climb on your chest and have a nap too!

ThisMustBeMyDream · 23/12/2021 22:44

They came from a farm, I saw mum cat, dad cat and some of their other animals. I didn't have any concerns for them, or that they were too young. 8 weeks is okay to separate mum and kittens.
I had visited some kittens the week before and had to report the owner to the RSPCA for the conditions and the fact they clearly were not 8 weeks.
They aren't skinny, the littler one is definitely in proportion to her weight and size, she is just small for her age. The other one is big for her age, but again, in proportion. I will be taking them to the vet when they let me have an appt 😬, so they will be checked over.
Here's some pictures of my poor hands after tonight's attempts Sad

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belimoo · 23/12/2021 22:57

We took in two farm kittens when I was a child. At first they hid under the bed and didn't let us anywhere near them. After a while one of them became more confident and let us stroke him but the other one remained very timid and ran away from us for several weeks.

I remember being very disappointed as the timid one was mine and I thought she'd never let me cuddle her. Over time she became the most loving and affectionate cat, who would sleep on my bed and sit on any lap going.

So hang on in there, it just takes time and patience. Kittens are usually so full of energy that they don't want to sit still for cuddles for long anyway! I'm sure they'll calm down as they get older.

They are beautiful by the way 😻

ThisMustBeMyDream · 23/12/2021 23:02

Ooooh, that fills me with hope! Thank you so much Grin. I am patient, and have plenty of time. I just want to make sure they are happy 😊

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MushMonster · 23/12/2021 23:18

So sorry about your hands!
The price of love, eh?
Keep handling them.
Maybe try just gently stroking the bigger one if she so much dislikes to be picked up. Firm touch will show her to respect you.
Giving treats and stroking is allowed.
Playing lots and stroking while playing too.
And you can wear gloves.
I have a semi feral one. He took ages to tame, and lots of scratches. But he comes to me for bedtime stroking every night.
He waits for me outside the bathroom, or he comes downstairs calling for me if I am taking too long watching TV!

OvenBakedOwl · 24/12/2021 00:01

Put gloves on and keep picking up

They do sound feral though? Or at least semi feral and they've had no human interaction prior to you. This could be tricky going forward if you were imagining lap cats/ friendly cats so the handling now is crucial no matter how much they hiss or spit

ThisMustBeMyDream · 24/12/2021 00:13

They retreated behind the sofa, which is impossible to get them from as it is a very heavy electric recliner. We tried everything, laser pen, toys, wet food, nothing worked. Then I remember the left over ham... worked a bloody treat. I made a path to the play pen, got them in, and then big kit retreated to the cat hidey bed. So I lifted it up, and firmly stroked, whilst hand feeding some more ham which she happily accepted.
Bet it only works with my expensive ham though Grin.
So tomorrow is a new day, and we have more ham and time to stroke whilst in their pen. Hopefully that will work better.

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ThisMustBeMyDream · 24/12/2021 20:46

Ham is working a bloody treat! She is still frightened, but today she enjoyed a stroke on my knee safely cocooned in their little bed!

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Fluffycloudland77 · 24/12/2021 22:00

Ham is their currency. It’s a good job you didn’t go straight in with the hand carved stuff.

MushMonster · 27/12/2021 10:43

Well done OP!
Keep trying. They will take a while, but they will get the message that humans are nice!

ShakespearesSisters · 27/12/2021 11:00

We had 2 new kittens 4 weeks ago. They were found at a mechanics garage so no handling until 7 weeks when taken in my Cats Protection League.

One us the runt, weighed in at 600g at 8 weeks and the other at 1100g. 3 weeks later they are 1200 and 1700g.
The small one is definitely the boss and pushes his big brother out of the way for food.
The big boy is much more timid. He would hiss at us to start with, he still recoils a little if we try to pick him up but this morning he came and sat on my lap of his own accord and was purring away while I stroked him.
The little one is definitely the adventurer too.
Just keep stroking and playing with them and they will adapt. Good luck with your new additions

New kittens and needing advice! (Yes, there's a picture!)
ThisMustBeMyDream · 27/12/2021 11:09

Oh @ShakespearesSisters that is exactly what I needed to hear! What gorgeous kittens you have! We are definitely taking baby steps here. Little one will let me pick her up and stroke for short periods, big one will let me stroke her without hissing so long as she is in her little house. She almost relaxed enough to fall asleep last night.
These pictures are from last night. Big kitten sat in front of the sofa and contemplating jumping up to me. She didn't in the end, but she sat for a few moments to consider it, which is definitely a big thing!

New kittens and needing advice! (Yes, there's a picture!)
New kittens and needing advice! (Yes, there's a picture!)
New kittens and needing advice! (Yes, there's a picture!)
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Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 27/12/2021 11:09

Love kitten threads Grin
@ShakespearesSisters - Those are exceptionally cute kittens

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 27/12/2021 11:10

And of course OP - your kittens are absolutely gorgeous too Grin