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My cat keeps killing birds

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savagebaggagemaster · 10/08/2021 18:27

We have recently adopted a one year old stray who turned out to be a Turkish Van. I've had rescue cats before who were very much homebodies and mostly stayed indoors. They caught the occasional bird or rodent, but this was very rare. This boy has turned out to be a prolific hunter and I'm finding it very hard to deal with his murderous ways. He's a lovely and very affectionate puss, but he keeps bringing in birds through the cat flap. This can be a daily occurrence! I've read the RSPB advice plus other online sites. He's well fed and kept in at night (before dusk) though recently he's started miaowing to be let out after we've all gone to bed and I've had to feed him to get him to settle indoors (bad habit, I know!) He prefers to use the outside toilet rather than the litter box. He will just not tolerate any collar and whips it off within seconds. We have tried!

Does anyone have any experience or advice on what I could do about this as this is heartbreaking? He's such a gorgeous cat, it's hard to believe how lethal he is.

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soddingkitten · 10/08/2021 18:34

Placemarking in the hope of tips because our Siamese boy is equally prolific. 🙁

TheSpottedZebra · 10/08/2021 18:36

Is he getting them from the same spot, and if so, can you make it less bird friendly?

helpfulperson · 10/08/2021 18:38

I would love to know the answer to this but have no helpful suggestions.

FlosCampi · 10/08/2021 18:39

A collar with three bells really helped, but then I read cats can get strangled in them.

savagebaggagemaster · 10/08/2021 18:44

@TheSpottedZebra

Is he getting them from the same spot, and if so, can you make it less bird friendly?
All I can say is that he seems to be getting them in the garden. It's difficult to tell as I don't see him catching them when we're outside. I don't think there is a particular spot, though we do have housemartins nesting under the eaves. Given that he's brought a couple in that were alive (I managed to rescue them and hoped they lived through the shock) he can't be catching them too far away from the house. Today he sneaked in with a female blackbird. Two days ago it was a small black bird (not sure which kind) which he ate. SadHe also gets pigeons. I'm so sad that he is a good hunter, though I understand that he's just following his evolutionary instincts.
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savagebaggagemaster · 10/08/2021 18:48

@FlosCampi

A collar with three bells really helped, but then I read cats can get strangled in them.
Oh no that's awful and a real fear I have. We do have snappable collars, but as I said initially, he manages to whip them off straight away. Maybe I need to persevere with this? He's quite feisty at times and let's me know when he's not happy! Confused
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SunShinesBrightly · 10/08/2021 18:50

Is your garden full of shrubs/plants?
Ours is planted densely and is prime hunting ground for local cats. They hide and pounce.
It’s a bird graveyard at times.

Try cutting stuff back so that there are fewer places for the cat to sit and wait.

StCharlotte · 10/08/2021 18:52

Sorry no advice but following in case anyone comes up with a magic solution.

Our last two were prolific hunters which was pretty useful living in the country. Back in suburbia and our current two are still quite young (18 months, just bog standard black moggies) but look like they're going the same way. I wouldn't mind if they just killed them outright, it's the playing with them that breaks my heart Sad

savagebaggagemaster · 10/08/2021 18:54

@SunShinesBrightly

Is your garden full of shrubs/plants? Ours is planted densely and is prime hunting ground for local cats. They hide and pounce. It’s a bird graveyard at times.

Try cutting stuff back so that there are fewer places for the cat to sit and wait.

You've made a good point there. Our back fence has tree branches overhanging from the neighbouring garden and he does sit on that fence watching and waiting. We do have some shrubbery and bushes, but I wouldn't want to disturb anything currently nesting in them, iyswim? Argh! It's a tricky one.

I really do appreciate the suggestions / understanding. There are a lot of cats in our neighbourhood and some of them drag rabbits in through the cat flap. I'm hoping he doesn't start that as well. Sad

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savagebaggagemaster · 10/08/2021 18:56

@StCharlotte

Sorry no advice but following in case anyone comes up with a magic solution.

Our last two were prolific hunters which was pretty useful living in the country. Back in suburbia and our current two are still quite young (18 months, just bog standard black moggies) but look like they're going the same way. I wouldn't mind if they just killed them outright, it's the playing with them that breaks my heart Sad

We live in a village in the countryside. He does seem to target birds rather than rodents, at least as far as I can tell. I know what you mean about the 'playing' though. I saw one of my previous cats doing that with a mouse. Horrific!
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Igmum · 10/08/2021 18:59

Apparently playing with your cat helps, particularly in the morning- presumably it tires them out and gets it out of their system. (Can't guarantee this but hoping it works when our young kittens get unleashed on an unsuspecting garden.) The other thing that works is waiting. Years. Elderly DCat was a fine hunter in her day but now prefers sitting or sleeping

Mangofandangoo · 10/08/2021 19:05

Quick release collar with 3 bells works for us. Maybe just keep trying, giving rewards when it's kept on?

user1497787065 · 10/08/2021 19:06

I think you may have to accept that this is normal cat behaviour. My cats bring in the odd bird and mouse but I have a friend who will often find the remains of a rabbit or squirrel on her kitchen floor and her cats looking rather proud of themselves beside them.

savagebaggagemaster · 10/08/2021 19:06

@Igmum

Apparently playing with your cat helps, particularly in the morning- presumably it tires them out and gets it out of their system. (Can't guarantee this but hoping it works when our young kittens get unleashed on an unsuspecting garden.) The other thing that works is waiting. Years. Elderly DCat was a fine hunter in her day but now prefers sitting or sleeping
He does love to play - in fact I was trying to tire him out playing at 1am when he wouldn't stop miaowing to get out and I definitely wasn't going to let him! I had to feed him (again) and this seemed to help, but I don't like doing this either as he's ALWAYS after food! The vet thinks this might be because he was a stray for a while. So he's killing beautiful birds and keeping us awake every night at the moment. I feel awful as I really pushed to adopt him after we lost our last rescue puss (4 years ago) and dh really loves this boy. He didn't seem so keen to get another cat, this one seems to prefer dh! He's quite a handful (the cat, not dh!GrinConfused)
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savagebaggagemaster · 10/08/2021 19:08

@user1497787065

I think you may have to accept that this is normal cat behaviour. My cats bring in the odd bird and mouse but I have a friend who will often find the remains of a rabbit or squirrel on her kitchen floor and her cats looking rather proud of themselves beside them.
I suspect you may be right! We're not at work right now and I'm worried about what will be awaiting us in the house when we do both go back out all day!
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nettie434 · 11/08/2021 08:17

I'd never heard of a Turkish Van cat before. They look very handsome. My friends' moggy is a fierce hunter too. However, it has definitely got more manageable with age. He is now 8 and I don't know if he's got slower or less interested but he catches less prey than he used to.

Although dusk is prime hunting time, I think cats also hunt at dawn too.

cricketmum84 · 11/08/2021 08:21

Re the collar with a bell... ivy has a collar with 2 bells (with a safety snapper in case she did get stuck) and she still manages to bring us birds home. I did manage to save one a few weeks back but she is positively lethal.

cricketmum84 · 11/08/2021 08:24

Sorry I forgot to remind you about The Litter Tray tax.

You may not ask questions about your cat without adding pictures of his fluffy little face....

Aggy35 · 11/08/2021 08:30

I am not a cat owner but just wanted to say thank you for looking into this.I have found dead birds in my garden (my neighbours cat attacks them near the feeder ).It has really made me dislike cats.This is a behaviour of a human introduced predator that affects wildlife.If only more cat owners were taking their cats behaviours seriously

savagebaggagemaster · 11/08/2021 23:28

@cricketmum84 happy to oblige! Smile

My cat keeps killing birds
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Fozzleyplum · 11/08/2021 23:38

That is definitely the face of a ruthless killer!

Our boy cat is a hunter - Hello, dead rat on the landing at 3am. He would yell the place down if we shut him in, so he wears a safety collar with several bells on it. Now, he can only catch anything that is a bit thick, or pigeons, which he squashes by jumping on them from the fence.

savagebaggagemaster · 12/08/2021 00:20

@Fozzleyplum

That is definitely the face of a ruthless killer!

Our boy cat is a hunter - Hello, dead rat on the landing at 3am. He would yell the place down if we shut him in, so he wears a safety collar with several bells on it. Now, he can only catch anything that is a bit thick, or pigeons, which he squashes by jumping on them from the fence.

Should I have done a profile shot as well as this mugshot? Grin Seriously though I do appreciate everyone's thoughts on this. Thank you so much.
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Alwaystired99 · 12/08/2021 10:23

This one's favourites is baby birds. As well as rabbits. He's a demon cat!

My cat keeps killing birds
Fancymice · 12/08/2021 10:34

We had a Turkish van! He was very VERY vocal, and luckily didn't have a bird catching talent but did bring rabbits home which was hideous Shock he always had a streak of feral in him, but settled down a lot after the age of about 6/7, and in the end would content himself to catch crickets and grasshoppers (and eat them)

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My cat keeps killing birds
savagebaggagemaster · 12/08/2021 11:20

@Alwaystired99 but he looks so innocent as if he wouldn't harm a soul!

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