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Feline idiopathic cystitis- worried nothing is working

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CaptainWentworth · 17/01/2019 08:29

First of all, please be gentle with me- all of this started I think because I had a baby in October (now 13 weeks old) and I didn’t realise straight away as I felt like I’d been run over by a steamroller in the first 6 weeks with all night breastfeeding etc.

We have 2 British short hair sisters, 3 years old, had from kittens. R is very chilled and sleep is her favourite thing, while B is a bit more playful and runs around more, is more sociable with visitors, but can be a bit nervous.

DH took B to the vet in November as we thought she was looking a bit thinner and she had a big sore patch of skin under her front leg- must have taken us a while to spot it as quite hidden most of the time. Vet said she was a healthy weight (3 and a bit kg, forget exact figure) and R was overweight (4.5 kg) and gave us some antibiotic and steroid cream for the skin. All healed up fine and our minds had been put at rest about the weight.

Then just before Christmas we noticed some more smaller sore skin patches, which were healing well by themselves but obviously still worrying, and I saw her wee on a doormat near her litter tray, which is totally out of character. She did it a few tines then we took the mat away and I don’t think she’s weed there since.

I took her back to the vet, who did a blood test which all came back clear, and diagnosed idiopathic cystitis. She sent me off with a kit to take a urine sample, which came back with a small amount of blood but no crystals or anything else. She also prescribed metacam anti inflammatory, which lasted about a week. She didn’t say much about the skin, but it does seem a lot better now anyway with no new patches. Vet also said she had lost a tiny bit more weight- still not underweight, but the loss itself is worrying ( so annoyed first vet didn’t understand that!)

The vets advice was also to try a water fountain (bought one, although B already drank a lot from her bowl and the tap) and to put her back on wet food. We used to give both wet and dry food when they were kittens, but R had a skin reaction about 18 months ago and also used to have quite loose poo sometimes with blood. I stopped feeding them felix (awful stuff really) and put them on to various high quality dry foods, initially hypoallergenic as suggested by the vet after the skin reaction, but eventually worked out chicken was the culprit and switched to Canagan’s game flavour (no chicken and they both love it).

I have tried to feed B wet food again, but she turns her nose up, then R swoops in, gobbles it up and then we get runny poos again. I’ve ordered, at great expense, two cat feeders that recognise an individual cat’s microchip in the hope I can feed B wet food (not felix!) and R dry, but I’m worried they’ll both go on hunger strike when they realise what’s going on.

I’ve also this week got a feliway diffuser- has dismissed as no evidence they work, but I want to try everything that might help now, as I had thought B was getting better but she weed on the bed on Saturday; then she did it again just now. I was feeding DD in bed both times so I can’t help feeling it’s related. I feel so guilty now when I’m giving the baby attention when Dcat is there, and I don’t know what to do as I can’t have her weeing on the duvet ( and goodness knows where else I’ve not seen) but I’m so worried my feeding plans won’t work and she’ll starve herself.

Sorry this is so long- has anyone got through this with their cat, and if so what helped? Thank you for reading Flowers and apologies for typos- holding a baby with my other hand

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CaptainWentworth · 17/01/2019 08:32

Also meant to add I’ve had cystitis a lot myself, it’s horrible and I feel awful that I’m not doing enough to help my poor cat get over it.

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borntobequiet · 17/01/2019 08:40

My cat (15) gets something similar on and off, sores, loses weight, then gets better. Been going on for years. Vet can’t suggest anything other than stress, but I don’t think it’s that. I feed her up when she wants food and treat with metacam if appropriate.

CaptainWentworth · 17/01/2019 08:44

She’s just done it again- jumped up, meowed to say hi then straight away weed on bed right next to me while I was holding baby. Then came back 2 minutes later after I’d put baby back in crib, and didn’t wee and started purring. I love her but I don’t know what to do!

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ifonly4 · 17/01/2019 11:27

It's such a stressful time (and to make matters worse you're not to show you're stressed as she'll pick up on it and it'll make her more stressed herself!). Lottie had in on and off for a year and it was awful. In the end we had her urine tested and an xray to rule out infection, crystals etc. When she had it, I used to give her cat milk (with a little water) added. If they've got a urinary problem, they feel irritated so keep trying to go, it's better they've got something to pass.

As you're already aware, as much liquid as possible. Longterm a wet diet is much better, so keep pursuing with that. More than one vet as my practice told me, they'd rather have a vet on a low quality wet diet than a good quality dry. I don't know which of the Felix pouches you've tried, but AGAIL upset my boy's tummy, he is fine on the ordinary cheaper one. If she won't eat wet, it might be worth putting a little wet down with dry food on top and see if she'll eat some of it.

I was lucky as my girl would eat wet and I could add a small amount of water (you could actually do this for the dry by the way). When she had a bout the vet also gave her cystease for mixing in her wet food. I got so desperate in the end, I bought some online and kept her on it permanently for the rest of her life . It doesn't have any side effects. She only had cystitis for that year, and I had her another five years without any urinary problems.

If possible, I'd try and give the cats a room which is totally baby free (and toddler free in time).

CaptainWentworth · 17/01/2019 12:37

It was Fekix that used to upset R; I’ve also tried Royal Canin urinary and Hills standard wet food and I think they both upset her too, and B wouldn’t eat them. That’s a good idea about putting biscuits on top though, and adding water to biscuits- vet did mention that but I’d forgotten. Trouble is she’s never been one to wolf down food as soon as you put it out- she likes to keep coming back for a little quiet nibble.

She is using the water fountain, which is good. I ordered some cystease from amazon with the chip feeders so will see if that helps at all too.

I hate feeling guilty for holding the baby! The cats do some mtimes dleep under the bed in the spare room, which I don’t use with the baby; also I don’t really go in my husbands study with her either. It’s weird because neither cat has avoided her since the first few days.

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ifonly4 · 17/01/2019 14:38

Actually it's easy to think, it could be the baby. Cats are so sensitive, it's hard to tell sometimes - could be the treatment for the skin problem, taking to the vet. My girl's cystitis was totally unexplained. If you can get cystease in her and don't want to give it continually, I'd at least give it for a month after her last known episode of weeing.

I don't know if you usually have a litter tray in the house. If not, try that for a while as it might reduce accidents. If they're indoor cats, try one tray each plus a spare.

CaptainWentworth · 17/01/2019 15:12

Yes they are mostly indoor cats and we do probably need to find space for another litter tray- DH will be pleased...

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Fluffycloudland77 · 17/01/2019 16:14

I use cystease daily with mine and he’s a lot better, he will still wee if another cat comes into his territory but he’s a highly strung cat at the best of times.

MiceSqueakCatsMeow · 17/01/2019 17:21

My cat was prescribed amytriptaline. I think I've spelt that wrong. The vet also advised us to put her out for a wee regularly or get a litter tray as she was holding on to her wee because she didn't want to go outside in the cold. And that was giving her cystitis. It might be stress because of the new baby. Feliway make plug ins that take the edge off. We had to get them at one point. She used to pee on the bed too. I think it was because she was trying to tell us there was something wrong.

MiceSqueakCatsMeow · 17/01/2019 17:23

We had a litter tray each for our cats. Which I think is a must. They were next to each other. They used one for wee one for poo.

Fluffycloudland77 · 17/01/2019 17:55

How did the amitryptiline affect her? Mines been offered as a last resort.

Rolypolybabies · 17/01/2019 19:12

When mine is stressed she wants to mark places. This then seems to become a stress cystitis, again with a tiny bit of blood. The vet advised either segregating her to an area, or litter trays everywhere. If I don't give her lots of options she chooses somewhere. We have young children so at first I was not wanting litter trays anywhere they could go, but to be honest wee on the floor or bed is far worse than if it is contained and cleaned.

Our indoor cat seems to need a litter tray in every main area, so one upstairs, one in the bathroom, under the stairs and one in the kitchen. I got concealed top entry ones so no spreading of litter and they aren't exposed for the children. It was a big outlay at first, over £150 on trays alone. I am so glad I did it though as it stopped all the stress which in turn calmed the cat more making her less likely to mess anywhere.

The other advice the vet gave was to feed them where they peed after thorough cleaning so they stop associating the place as a toilet. They also recommended engaging in play more to try and reset the mood and encourage her to designate zones to play, feeding, sleep and rocketing.

Good luck.

MiceSqueakCatsMeow · 17/01/2019 19:42

She got better. We didn't notice any side effects. I take amytriptaline for migraine prevention. This was a few years ago though. There might be better treatment now. We were quite desperate as she had a lot of bleeding. She ended up with blood clots in her bladder. But this sorted it out.

Fluffycloudland77 · 17/01/2019 19:45

O that sounds so painful. I’ll discuss it with the vet. Thanks.

CaptainWentworth · 17/01/2019 23:48

We do have a spare litter tray so will get it set up- was going to put it next to the other one in the utility room but maybe I should reconsider.

We’ve had a feliway plug-in since Tuesday evening so not sure how quickly I should expect it to work. Have on landing during the day and in kitchen (where they sleep) at night. Could get another but they’re expensive if they don’t do anything. Am very aware I’m on maternity pay now!

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