Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

The litter tray

Join our community of cat lovers on the Mumsnet Cat forum for kitten advice and help with cat behaviour.

Please help. Sad post , need hand holding awaiting autopsy results. Does anyone know about congenital condition/heart

53 replies

alltoomuchrightnow · 19/07/2015 21:29

I have also posted this in Chat for more traffic. Is there anyone who could just hold my hand or give some advice/ input especially about heart problems or their verdict on this.. below orig post.. (obviously i don't know if is heart but trying to go by logic here..)

Our beloved pet died on Thursday. He had turned one year old this month.
He had no problems we were aware of and in the morning was his normal playful loving and active self. DP and I both left for work in the morning.

He was 99% an indoor cat by his own choice although had started sitting on outside window sill at night and would occasionally jump down (would always come back in within ten minutes). He was frightened of the outdoors in daytime and the times I tried him on a harness he just shook with fright and pulled me back in. In a way it was a relief to us as we wouldn't have to worry about him with cars etc or potential poisoning . So this is just to show the background.. mainly an indoor cat who seemed in perfect health, was chipped, neutered and had his jabs. We often spent more on his food than on ours! For a while DP was buying him expensive organic food.

I came home from work later than normal that evening and found him dead in the hallway , he looked peaceful and asleep so it was an absolute shock and I"m still in total shock. His mouth, ears, eyes, nose, back parts all clean. No vomit or diarrhoea anywhere in house (he could not get out of house). No signs of anything abnormal . I'm not squeamish as worked in a cattery years ago and helped out in the adjoining vets there - so i checked him fairly thoroughly. Didn't prise mouth open but lifted up lips and his teeth were clean. I smelt his mouth and there was nothing to detect in fact it smelt 'clean' even though he was dead
He was pure white apart from two faint little black spots on his head. His hearing was perfect and he had amber eyes. His last checkup was fine and vet said he had none of the problems that white cats had e.g. heart problems (is this true though? have googled this and it throws nothing up, only seems to associate deafness with them) I was told because of the black spots he didn't have the full white cat genes and therefore would be healthier (his mum is pure white half persian and dad we think is a black and white moggy)
His brother is totally 100% pure white but with odd eyes and has a heart murmur (is not deaf). My boy did have leg tremors. I can only describe it as like Parkinsons. I know cats twitch in their deep sleep but he started twitching his legs when merely relaxing like when was drowsy rather than deep sleep. (he didn't twitch when playing or fully awake but still)
So logic tells me this death was sudden and in his sleep (as body was so relaxed) and related to heart/ congenital

But I am also tearing myself apart and torturing myself. Is there a poison that doesn't show up. did he somehow get one of my thyroid tablets (thyroxine) which could cause heart attack. did he swallow something . etc etc. It's hell waiting for the results. What if it's something myself and or DP did as in missed, overlooked
You see, we have a messy house. DP is a hoarder. But it was always a house with cat. I moved in with DP last year and his ancient cat also passed last year. We got the kitten about a week after old cat passed (not as replacement.. we were going to have them both together was the plan)The house is messy & chaotic but I would not say unsafe for a pet. Before we got kitten we made sure we felt it was safe enough for a lively kitten. But i'm paranoid. Is there something we missed, overlooked. some nook and cranny he got into that we couldn't get into to see (it's an old dilapidated cottage). We never have things like anti freeze around and anything else has lids on and on high shelves. What if he ate an insect that got in house that was poisoned (our loo is semi outside... in outhouse.. always full of beasties) We should have sorted the house before getting kitten but it's DP's place and i cant change his hoarding so there was only so much i could do and more like rearranging of stuff as he wont chuck stuff out. (the worst is in a room we don't use though) it all happened quickly as kitten needed home quickly .

All I know is our baby is gone and I am heartbroken . I need peace of mind with the results that it was nothing we could have done. I just don't know. We don't have children and can't have children and he was our baby. Our whole world.

OP posts:
Tiptops · 23/07/2015 23:32

Hello all

I posted on your other thread in chat but have stumbled on this one too. Sod professionalism - you're in shock and grieving for a family member. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise, but I hope people at work are being understanding and kind to you too.

It's a shame that the option for more testing was taken away, but I suppose there would always be the risk that maybe that wouldn't have given a definitive answer either? It does sound very much like it was either HCM like I mentioned on your other thread or something similar. When my cat was diagnosed with HCM last month, talking about the risk of sudden death my vet said 'you will suffer, he won't'. You said Caspurr looked peaceful, I'm sure it was instant and he didn't know a thing. You're left with the awful shock at how sudden and unexpected it was, so please give yourself time.

Do whatever gets you through while your DP is away. Whether that's keeping busy with people around you or just going to ground for a while, do what's right for you. The first few days and weeks are hell, you just trudge through them on autopilot. Eventually, you will be able to remember the happy times and memories you made in the short time you had together.

P.s. Still haven't hoovered the cat scratcher that my other cat used the night before she passed away - 7 months ago! I absentmindedly washed a blanket she had sat on and was really upset. Just go at your own pace, there's no rush.

Thinking of you Flowers

Tiptops · 23/07/2015 23:35

Also glad the relatives of Caspurr are being scanned. Heart conditions can really be masked by cats because the symptoms can be so subtle and vague, and cats are good at self regulating themselves if they feel unwell they will rest. With dogs you notice they can't exercise as much on walks etc.

alltoomuchrightnow · 23/07/2015 23:53

thanks Tiptops and Cozie. I'm glad i'm working tomorrow and Saturday. Sunday won't be easy but DP will be back on Monday. tomorrow will be hard as it will be one week since that awful day. It was honestly the worst thing i've ever come home to. it doesnt feel like home now. i've only been here a year and i was starting to feel more settled. I guess it will prompt me to start sorting the place out. there are too many reminders right now too. Work did help today but being back here is awful. The emptiness almost screams at me
That's true Tiptops i never thought of that. plus him being a mainly indoor cat. he would always drop to floor and have a quick rest after a hard play. then get up and do some more. I did wonder sometimes, if i picked him up and held him on his back like a baby he would purr (wouldnt have done if he'd protested) but sometimes i wondered if he seemed a bit breathless like that so i'd put him down

OP posts:
alltoomuchrightnow · 23/07/2015 23:55

I don't have people around me. I live in middle of nowhere and dont know anyone. but my best friend who i got him from (who has some of his family ) is ten miles away. so i feel better at work being busy but it's part time so .... a lot of empty days. we are going away on the 9th though to Devon and i cant wait for a change of scenery. i booked it today. Waterdragon is coming with us!(he's been before)

OP posts:
alltoomuchrightnow · 23/07/2015 23:58

so sorry you lost your beautiful girl, Tiptops. I hope your boy has a long happy life. is there anything they can do to control it?

OP posts:
Tiptops · 24/07/2015 00:39

I can't imagine how hard it must have been to have come home to find him as you did. You did really well to have a quick look over him at the time. Yes the first milestones are really upsetting too, sometimes I can't believe it's been 7 months since I last gave my girl cat a cuddle. They are such a big part of our lives that the emptiness is so profound. Although I like cozies take on it of not being ashamed of loving so much.

I was amazed at the photos of Caspurr and your water dragon on the other thread. Most unlikely friends ever, or what?!

My boy cat is now on so many drugs he practically rattles! Sadly there's no cure for HCM and he ended up in congestive heart failure too before he was diagnosed. They can't undo the damage already done to his heart, but some of the meds he's on slows the beats down. The outlook isn't good. The vet said he won't make old bones and he could go tomorrow, next week or next year we just don't know. It is scary and obviously I don't want him to suffer at all. My vet said the kindest way for him to go would be suddenly, it would happen so fast he wouldn't know anything about it. The alternatives are that the meds just eventually stop working and we choose to PTS, or the horrible thing I mentioned on your other thread where they get a blood clot which is really painful. Obviously hoping and praying it isn't the latter. If Caspurr did have a heat problem, it sounds like he passed away in the most peaceful way possible. Hope that can bring you some comfort in time, if not now.

He's a rescue cat who was badly mistreated before I adopted him. We have a really close bond and he isn't that old either. You probably feel the same way - so bloody unfair when they are young and have lovely temperaments.

alltoomuchrightnow · 24/07/2015 19:27

it was a week ago today and it was about this exact time i came home and found him. I did give him a pretty thorough look over and was with the body for a while until friends turned up (DP had rang them and asked them to come over as he was so worried about me. He did come back that night but had to leave next morning ). they took me back to theirs but i just wanted to stay with the body.
I do have a fair amount of pix of Caspurr with the dragon. Which i'm glad for. V sad i never got any video.
I am so sorry to hear about your kitty. I can't imagine the stress of having to live with that worry. I'm not trying to sugar coat it but he could have more time than you think. No one knows these things.. it's such a lottery.
I honestly don't think that my boy did suffer and that's not kidding myself. I have had pets who suffered during their deaths. I have had many many pets and worked with animals so i don't kid myself. Some of my pets had horrible deaths and this was not one of them. That is the only comfort.. i just miss him so much. coming home to an empty house is so depressing. At least DP gets a change of scenery even though working away from home.
It's not the first time for me, in that 7 or 8 years ago i came home to find my very young water dragon (less than a year) had died . It was the same situation and autopsy revealed nothing..it was said to be like cot death or sudden death syndrome exactly as humans can have.. as i lost this baby's father four years ago it would have been comfort for him to have had a long life and i'd still have part of his dad with me, through him (his dad was a rescue on death's door whom i ended up having for years). Although things happen for a reason (even if we never know why) and if i still had him i wouldn't have my Mojo dragon now. Who of course had such a bond with Caspurr.
so i know having had this with two pets the fear will never go.

OP posts:
alltoomuchrightnow · 24/07/2015 19:31

This is Caspurr and Mo at Christmas. I don't really believe in dressing pets up. however it only took about 30 seconds as i just fired off the photos and they were both rewarded with treats! I took them to email to my little nieces and nephew in Australia and I'm so glad i did now

Please help. Sad post , need hand holding awaiting autopsy results. Does anyone know about congenital condition/heart
Please help. Sad post , need hand holding awaiting autopsy results. Does anyone know about congenital condition/heart
OP posts:
alltoomuchrightnow · 24/07/2015 19:33

having said that, Caspurr actually liked costumes (even though looks grumpy here! he wasn't!) he had a Halloween one too. when i put them on him he would purr and purr. same as when i put his harness on him. he didn't like going outside in daytime on it (he was scared of being out in day!) but purred when i put it on

OP posts:
RubbishMantra · 25/07/2015 01:18

I remember the photo you posted of Caspurr in his Halloween hoody!

Beautiful little lad. Like Cozie says, never be ashamed of loving. Flowers

alltoomuchrightnow · 26/07/2015 23:15

It's almost Monday and our last chance to change mind if we did want to keep ashes. I am still 99% we don't but that little 1%..
is it so wrong not to have them?
I know Tuesday will be especially hard. His little body will be cremated
I know we have fur clipping/whiskers/ fur still all round the house
Is it really so wrong if we don't have ashes?
I don't have good thoughts re cremation. I was the same when my friend died last year. It's just me and a personal thing, I find it hard. I 'd find ashes probably more hard.
but that little body might be just a shell and not 'him' but it's that little body we loved so much, stroked, brushed, tickled, played with... and there'll be nothing left of him.
i find it so hard to let go.

OP posts:
cozietoesie · 26/07/2015 23:47

Of course you will.

I think that the ashes are your call. I was much happier when the ashes of our parents were distributed in the places chosen because then I felt that we could all continue on our journey. But that's just me - other people like to have them close by. You may also.

alltoomuchrightnow · 26/07/2015 23:53

I just don't have anywhere to scatter ashes. He was mainly indoor kitty. he only went out at night for very short periods (ten minutes and his courage would run out and he'd leap back in!)
I feel i'd rather have box of his toys also fur/whiskers than ashes
so i guess i need to trust that

OP posts:
cozietoesie · 26/07/2015 23:56

The day may well come when you don't need those either - just hold him in your heart.

All the best with whatever you decide.

cozietoesie · 28/07/2015 22:35

How are you doing, all ?

Wolfiefan · 28/07/2015 22:38

Thinking of you.
Flowers

Wolfiefan · 28/07/2015 22:38

Thinking of you.
Flowers

Wolfiefan · 28/07/2015 22:38

Sorry.
Blush

alltoomuchrightnow · 29/07/2015 00:51

thanks. it was pretty hard yesterday(i.e. Tuesday) although i was v busy but when I stopped, it was tough. To top it all, I got 'cyberbullied' by someone I'd never come across before and it was really the last straw (on a selling site). I had to block them but not until they had made some nasty remarks and private messaged me. I guess they are just someone who goes onto sites looking to pick on someone but it was all I needed as you can imagine, when I was low
I miss my little white fluffy boy so so much, it's physical pain... and i know that's it now. he's cremated and I have to start accepting. so hard to accept that there was such a bright, vibrant little life and then wiped out just like that.

OP posts:
cozietoesie · 29/07/2015 09:41

Report the cyberbully to the site - they shouldn't get away with meanness of that sort. You might normally be strong enough to just shrug it off but right now you're vulnerable: and some people are vulnerable most of the time. Nasty behaviour isn't on.

Take care of yourself anyway. I know that a few days after a death, I often feel flat and depressed - just real low - and that's a very difficult time for me at least. You do get through it though.

alltoomuchrightnow · 30/07/2015 00:32

i didn't need to report him in the end . I cut and pasted his messages to the site. Today I got notified that they had removed him.

OP posts:
cozietoesie · 30/07/2015 01:11

Good - you'll likely have saved a few other people from him as well.

DidoTheDodo · 01/08/2015 20:49

Come to this a bit late but it resonated with me so much. Our sweet tortie died under very similar circumstances in February.... Just dropped down dead. We too were utterly heartbroken and very shocked, just as you describe. She was less than two years old.
No advice, other than to give you a hug.
We still miss her, but have two wonderful young cats from a rescue centre and they have helped us heal. A good cat home needs a furry friend or two to fill it.
Flowers

alltoomuchrightnow · 05/08/2015 20:40

sorry am so late to return to this
will just do a test first
having broadband problems

OP posts:
alltoomuchrightnow · 05/08/2015 20:46

good,that worked
I am so sorry to hear that, Dido. Did you have autopsy? or was it definitely decided it was heart?
It's nearly three weeks on and I thought I was dealing with it better but now PMT rears its head i'm an absolute mess again. I had to go to Pets At Home today for the lizard's food and wish I hadn't gone to that particular branch as it was where they (pets 4 vets) had had his body for over a week. I never saw him when he (body) was there but it did upset me thinking about it , him in a freezer all that time. I'm constantly in tears again but I know the PMT is amplifying it. It doesn't help re timing that I saw doctor for review today and am going to reduce the anti depressants i'm on, to come off them and go on a different one not tried before (the ones i've been on for 12 years are i think , doing me no favours). This is a bit scary for me to think of going through the reduction process when I am feeling so utterly depressed
DP and I are away next week (hol) so I guess that's better than going to work. But it may be a while before I go on the new ones.

OP posts:
Swipe left for the next trending thread