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Neighbours kittens

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ShadowsShadowsEverywhere · 01/08/2014 09:38

We've recently had new neighbours move in next door. Towards the end of last week two kittens appeared in their garden, I'm not sure whether they'd just got them or had been keeping them inside for a few days.
One of the kittens kept popping its head over our fence and watching DCs playing.

Yesterday when I went to take the bins out the same kitten was sat on my path mewing. As soon as she saw the open door she was in the house. I ushered her out the back door, but she spent the rest of yesterday coming back in, or playing with the DCs toys in the garden. Every time something made her jump she ran to me and hid under my long skirt! By about 6.30 she was clearly hungry, had jumped up and eaten some scraps in my kitchen and drank DSs milk, so I shooed her back out the front door where I'd found her as she just didn't seem to want to go over the fence back to her own garden.

She was v v thin and seemed confused about where home was. Yesterday she was coming in the windows from the garden and mewing a lot. What do I do if she comes back today? It's obviously more interesting here as neighbours are out most of the day and we are home from lunchtime onwards most days and have a garden full of toys and balls etc which she spent hours playing with yesterday. I'm worried about how thin she looked but don't know a lot about cats or kittens so don't know how normal that is. Any advice would be v much appreciated!

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wantacatplease · 24/09/2014 10:23

Great update! Buttons and Pumpkin look so happy.

MinkyWinky · 24/09/2014 21:46

Thank you for updating, I've been checking back too as I wanted to see how you were all getting on Grin love that you now have your own lovely cat family. Without the boys appearing you wouldn't have rescued your two balls of mischief and it sounds like the boys are being looked after better now.

meee123 · 25/09/2014 23:26

Lovely to see the updates,

AmyMumsnet · 01/10/2014 17:31

Lovely updates!

ShadowsShadowsEverywhere · 09/02/2015 10:01

Hello everyone, I wasn't sure whether to breathe life back into this thread or start a new one, but there's such a huge backstory and it's all relevant to my update that I thought it easier to reawaken the thread.

So we are almost 4 months on from my last update and my two kitties are now huge and have just been neutered/spayed. They go back for a post OP check on Tuesday after which they will have the all clear for me to start letting them out and herein lies my dilemma. The boys next door have had a tough few months. Really tough. Shortly after my last update they started gravitating to a house up the road where they could always get in (window open for the families own cat) and where they were fed. They avoided my house like the plague every time they encountered Pumpkin (my boykitten), proper hissing and yowling at the window etc. A month or so later the family theyd be practically living with moved out. The boys have been scavenging a lot since, raiding bins, a neighbour up the road mentioned them pinching dog food from his spaniels bowl. Then I spotted Tortie out the front having really bad diarrhea so went and knocked on neighbours door and told them, they just laughed. The boys weren't seen for about a week after that but when they reappeared they were both wearing flea collars. They've started ranging a long way from this street, I see them on my way to nursery with DD a mile away from their house, still scavenging.

I was all set to report and then it came to my attention that neighbours are due move in late Spring. I've been dithering ever since. I see them around once a week out the back. Have loosened their flea collars as were way too tight, almost as if they've grown and the collars hadn't been adjusted. I've been putting some food in a bowl outside my back door and they sometimes eat it, sometimes not. Several times neighbours have gone away for the week but rather than shut the boys in, they've been shutting them OUT. I think they assume they hunt, but obv they don't, they just raid dustbins. It's got to the point now that even if I leave a lot of food out they don't seem to trust that more will be forthcoming, they eat some then go off scavenging again and don't come back even if I leave more food out. I think they've learnt that they need to fend for themselves. I can't shut them in here as they really don't like my two and full scale cat fights break out.

My concerns are twofold. I'm wary about letting my two out when the boys clearly see my garden as their patch, are still not neutered so very fighty and seem to have a personal issue with Pumpkin in particular, just seeing him in the window leads to hostility. My girl cat Buttons is still quite petite and I'm particularly worried about her having to fend them off.
My second concern is what to do! If neighbours are moving out in Spring I'm seriously considering "vanishing" the boys just before they're due to leave. I think, although may be wrong, that castrating them would make them less aggressive and that plus flea and worming, lots of tlc might lead to them coexisting with my minimum drama? Or I vanish them, keep them here temporarily and then take them to a shelter and let them be rehomed. I've been able to keep an eye on them here but who's to say that will continue if they move.

Also, with regards letting my two out ... When do I want to start thinking about that? I'm worried about buttons still having a visible scar from her OP, wondering if I should let the fur grow back first, so that if she does get in a fight or anything there's less chance of it getting caught. Like I said, she's still so petite I worry she'll get picked on. Pumpkin is fairly dim so god knows what scrapes he's going to get into!! Makes me very nervous tbh!

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Fluffycloudland77 · 09/02/2015 11:14

I'd vanish them and neuter them, ask cpl for help with costs.

The "owners" are horrible mean people. It's been freezing recently, I wonder how they managed to find shelter on the worst nights if they aren't fed well.

timtam23 · 09/02/2015 12:00

I was sorry to see your thread pop up again as I knew it was unlikely to be good news. I feel really sorry for these 2 cats (the 2 your neighbours are neglecting)

I would want to "vanish" them too, sooner rather than later, even if it were just for castration, but I have no idea how you would manage to get them if they are fending for themselves and wary of coming into your house

They will end up roaming far & wide and getting run over if things are left as they are now. And/or getting caught up in their collars somewhere with awful results.

I only have 1 cat now but in the past have had multi-cat households, introducing new cats wasn't always easy but in the end they all found their own place in the pecking order & coexisted

Quite a few posters on here have large numbers of cats so you would not be short of advice on how to go about it I am sure

Could you ring CPL and ask for their advice about what to do here?

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ShadowsShadowsEverywhere · 09/02/2015 16:44

Hello again Fluffy tim and neuterer, thanks for your thoughts.

I agree that something needs to be done and I'm happy to be the doer of that something, but yes timtam is spot on in that I'm not sure how I would go about it seeing as they have got all wary with me. Even when I'm out the back with the chickens they won't come up to me, I'm guessing they can smell my two on me and so steer clear? Are we of the idea that it's better to try and get them castrated before the neighbours move or could I afford to wait a few weeks. They're due to move in April so I could aim to try and vanish them at the end of March? Or I could wait until they go away again, as they are likely to do (every few weeks for the past few months, I assume they are house hunting) and then just lay a trail of dreamies a mile long and pray I can catch them that way? I think being fed regularly and given a bit of tlc they'd stop being so wary, it's obv a symptom of how they've been treated that they're like that, and I know scavenging from bins etc they've been chased off by people and dogs so I guess their perception of people has become largely negative.

Ugh it's all just so complicated

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RubbishMantra · 09/02/2015 17:10

Would you consider removing their collars if you can get close enough? Flea collars are often poisonous to cats, and not usually the quick release safety collars.

ShadowsShadowsEverywhere · 09/02/2015 17:30

Poisonous? Oh bloody hell! Yep that's something I can do if I can get close enough. They def aren't quick release ones, they've got a buckle like on a belt

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timtam23 · 09/02/2015 21:00

It sounds like you will have to seize the opportunity whenever it comes. Even if you could get only one of them it would be better than nothing.

Could you try to win their trust by perhaps keeping to a bit of a routine with them? I know they're not always in your garden but maybe if you go into the garden at the same time every day, make reassuring cat-calming noises, put some food down etc etc, they may start to trust you?

Trouble is, they sound as if they are behaving like stray, almost semi-feral, cats rather than tame much-loved pets. Using a CPL cat trap to catch them would be an idea but makes it a bit obvious that you are getting involved, unless the neighbours are away for the week & oblivious to it.

Yes getting the collars off would be a start as they can be dangerous of not quick-release and also the flea deterrent can be irritant to a cat's skin (and they are rubbish protection against fleas)

WithernseaWoes · 09/02/2015 22:18

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timtam23 · 09/02/2015 22:28

Grin aw thanks TCN I would always bow to your expertise as you have so much more experience with cats particularly those in tricky situations

NameChange30 · 09/02/2015 23:58

Firstly you sound lovely OP and I'm so glad you rescued the boys in their time of need, and then rescued two more kitties to keep Smile
Did you ever report the kitten farmer (the one you got Buttons from) to the RSPCA?
I think you should ask Cats Protection League for advice about the boys. I do think your neighbours are neglecting them and it sounds like they've become semi-feral. See what CPL say but I hope they can capture and neuter them at least.
As for yours and when to let them out... Our vet advised us to wait until they're 6 months old. We have a brother and sister and they were neutered at 5 months so I'm also waiting for the girl's wound to heal. I think we will also let them out in the day but bring them in at night. (We plan to get a SureFlap as I think you can set a timer so it doesn't let them out at night?)

ShadowsShadowsEverywhere · 10/02/2015 16:38

Afternoon! I'm probably going to be a bit useless for a few days, have two very poorly kids and am not faring much better myself tbh. Did manage to get quite close to Tortie this morning while checking the gas meter, but he wouldn't let me touch him so I think the routine and softly softly approach is going to be my best bet. There was a black female cat in the garden this morning and they plus another male were following her about so I assume she's unneutered and in heat. Clearly no one round here bothers to neuter their cats which may explain why there are so very many of them about! Am I right in thinking they'll all hang around her for a few days now? That might be a good time to try and get them used to me again because they're likely to be round this area more.

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ShadowsShadowsEverywhere · 10/02/2015 17:32

TCN okay! I'm going to sound awful now, but I can't justify the cost of doing that. If it were the boys, I'd take out PPHs at the vets so I got the discount on neutering and even then it'd be a tight to afford to do them both. For a cat that I wouldn't then be taking on long term, that I'd just be handing back over to the owners - I just can't afford it. I know that sounds really awful, but if I'm potentially looking at paying for the boys to be done next month and their jabs, I've got to find the money for that, which I can do, but I couldn't take on a third new cat, because then I'd be unable to feed the two I've already got and the two more it's looking like im going to end up with.

I'm a lone parent to 2 small DCs, take on ex battery hens etc. I manage, but Im not exactly rolling in it.

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timtam23 · 10/02/2015 18:04

Maybe carry some dreamies or similar around with you so that every time you see the boys you can chuck a treat near them & they' ll associate you with the food? If you try to grab them you may scare them off for ages.

I may be wrong but I wonder if you will be left with these cats anyway as I would not be surprised if the neighbours left them behind when they leave Sad

The black female in heat is not the greatest news but probably not much you personally can do about it right now, I agree.

Stinkersmum · 10/02/2015 18:09

I'd trap them and hand them in your local CPL or similar as strays. Bless you for caring! I currently have 11 cats in my house which are rescue/dumped/were real now tame, and I feed another 30+ a day. In the past year DHL and I have managed to TNR about 60 cats.

Stinkersmum · 10/02/2015 18:10

Feral, not real!

ShadowsShadowsEverywhere · 10/02/2015 18:17

That's a good idea re dreamies, I can put a bag in my coat pocket so I know I've always got them on me. I tried to stroke Tortie today so I could see if I could get his collar off but he really wasn't going to let me get close enough to do that. Did that slow blink to say hello to me though and again when I did it back so he obviously remembers me, might just need a bit of work to get him to trust me again.

With this black cat in heat, it's a mess, but round here so very common. If I catch and neuter that one, I'm going to feel obligated to do the same every time I see a female trailed by a load of males pass through the garden, and that is really not an uncommon occurrence round here. It's that thing of having to prioritise the animals in my care before any other animals. Ex bats can end up needed a fair bit of vet treatment as they often come with a host of problems and I have between 2 and 6 at a time these days. Plus the kittens and the boys. I also don't drive so it's a taxi job whenever I need to get to the vets which is normally £20 a trip. It just all adds up.

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ShadowsShadowsEverywhere · 10/02/2015 18:18

Oh wow stinker that's a lot of cats!

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girliefriend · 10/02/2015 18:23

Have you contacted cpl? I would hope they would be your best bet.

I wouldn't neuter then yourself as that will be expensive and also if one is a female they take a fair bit of post op care (well my girl cat did anyway)

My only concern with vanishing them would be that your neighbours would just go out and get some more Sad

I wouldn't worry too much about letting your cats out as to start with they are unlikely to be out for long periods of time anyway and I guess you can supervise them to a certain extent.

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