COI of 8.5%?

[bbb77]

Is that ok although higher than average?

Labrador. Parents both have 0/0 hips and elbows

I'm quite surprised that both parents have 0/0 on the hips, that's very unusual even in Labs given the high hip scores they tend to have. One parent would be unusual - let alone two...Are you definitely sure both are definitely 0/0 and it's not a case of the breeder having not done the test?

Labs need like 5/6 DNA health tests to be considered fully health tested. What are those scores like? How many litters has the mum had (which is just as important as any health scores).

But to answer your original question, a COI of 8.% isn't terrible. It depends on your priorities. I would always prefer the puppy of fully health tested parents with a higher COI than that of a dog with poor (or no) health scores and a low COI.

It is a fab littter. Second litter for the bitch but different mating.

Yep 0/0 on both dogs - amazing health tests. I have seen both dogs working everything is great which made me search harder! Then saw COI of 8.5 but I was totally happy to go with this down to the other factors. But wanted to check and find out other peoples view.

All tests carried out Clear PRA, CNM, EIC, SD2, STGD, MCD, HNPK.

I know the breeders so all legit.

That's closer than first cousins so I'd be concerned that while the parents are clear any recessive genes they are carrying for other issues could easily become apparent at a later stage in the pups.

@bbb77 sounds like the jackpot to me then! 😊It is a slightly higher than ideal COI, but with scores like that...I really wouldn't complain. Particularly the DNA tests if both are clear as it means the puppies cant inherit them from the parents.

Give me a higher COI and amazing health test scores over a low COI and a dog riddled with all manner of illnesses any day.

Always worth checking grandparents tests if you can (just to be sure). But otherwise I'd be quite happy.

Pretty sure it is not first cousins mating more like great or great great grandparent.

I have the pedigree 5 generations and no repeated names on this at all.

Thank you that was my initial thought but then I paniced a bit. I will ask to see Grandparents tests.

@Lighterandbrighter That's not how it works. The parents could, for example, share the same great-great-grandparent 2 or more times, which would give them a higher score. It's not necessarily as simple as 'first cousins'

My last litter, the great-great-great-grandsire on the stud's father's side featured twice on the dam's side. Because he featured three times, it made the puppies COI higher. But that's six generations ago. Which is a long time in the breeding world.

COI is done based off available information. If the information only goes back 3-4 generations the COI is almost always going to be lower because there's just less data available. Whereas, if it goes back 5-6 generations the COI will almost certainly be higher. Lack of evidence of inbreeding (due to lack of paperwork) isn't evidence none has taken place.

COI is a bit of a gamble unless you're comparing like for like when it comes to ancestry.

@TheHungryHungryLandsharks thank you that's really useful information x

I have had a look at Great and Grandparents tests. They are all ok. Highest was a 3/5 on Dads side.

Mums side hips are amazing.

So deposit paid and looking forward to 19th March collection day hopefully😀