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Particolour poodles

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SingSangSung · 21/01/2026 22:04

We're looking for a first family dog and leaning towards a miniature or standard poodle.

Can anyone explain whether there is anything special to consider before getting a parti poodle? Is it strictly a matter of the colour being NBS and excluded from showing? Are there any health issues specific to partis? Thank you.

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TheHungryHungryLandsharks · 22/01/2026 05:56

I wouldn’t.

Whilst they may come up naturally in a litter, to be specifically bred for that colour isn’t the sign of a good breeder. It’s going to be so much harder than it already is to find a decent breeder if you add in things that will tip you closer to puppy farming priorities (such as colour). They usually more expensive as well.

Put it like this; of the 19 litters on Kennel Club for poodle at the moment (across the three types) only 1 is fully health tested. That’s £1500 a puppy from two parents who are fully health tested. The litter that’s parti-poodle? £2500 a puppy, 1 health test result recorded per parent out of the six the breed should had.

You’d be paying £1K more for a dog that is statistically more likely to suffer serious health complications and have a rather miserable existence…and thus cost you more on the long run, just for its colour.

It possibly is perfectly possible to find a perfect breeder of a parti…but you’d probably have better luck running through the DMZ and praying you don’t blow up a landmine.

poodlefan · 24/01/2026 09:40

I used to own a miniature poodle he sadly died of old age this year. He came from one of the most reputable miniature poodle breeders in the UK considered God in the world of miniature poodles.
She told me poodles don’t come in particolours end of story. Reputable miniature poodle breeders don’t breed them. She meticulously chose a sire based not on colour but on confirmation temperament and as she was exceedingly knowledgeable about the breed what sires blood lines would knit well with her bitches bloodlines to produce healthy puppies (his full brother won a Crufts).
Her dogs had every health test needed she showed me the results and explained what they meant for my dog. He lived to 14 without a days illness finally dying after a fairly rapid decline of age related renal failure.
She didn’t advertise on the KC website. Contact the miniature poodle society they will know of any up coming litters although I doubt any will be parti-coloured.

Ylvamoon · 24/01/2026 11:05

Historically particolour Poodles were desirable, hence their existence in many litters. It's just not what is currently favourable in the show ring. Show breeders set the standards, the colour preference is mostly for esthetic reasons.

It's not a defective gene, so it has no impact on the health of the breed either.

I'd say go for it if that's what you want!

changenameagain555 · 24/01/2026 13:37

Isn’t there a strong possibility the colour will fade anyway so might not remain particolour anyway?

momager1 · 24/01/2026 20:33

owner of two pedigree standards. I have a cream and a silver brindle. If you are looking for a pet, parti is not an issue at all, and showing it could be. The one thing I would not accept is a merle.

Particolour poodles
SingSangSung · 25/01/2026 15:44

Thanks all.

I read that mixed colours were common in the breed long ago but that they became more rare as breeders opted for solid colours. Some resources say the colour doesn't affect health. I understand that health might be impacted if colour is prioritised over other qualities by breeders, but is it possible that even a litter from a well bred, thoroughly health tested pair can have some particolour pups? I see, for example, a breed standard red poodle paired with a breed standard cream poodle -- how likely is it that some of their pups would be parti? Is that very rare?

We're looking solely for a family pet and have no intention of showing or breeding. I don't have my heart set on a particolour, but it's helpful to understand more about them.

As a first timer, learning as I go along (thanks for all the guidance!), these are the key things I've been looking at in available litters:

  • Inbreeding coefficient under 5%
  • Best / good practice breeder
  • Fully health-tested parents
  • Age of parents
  • How many litters each parent has had. (I see some sires producing dozens of litters, even for best-practice breeders -- is that really in the dog's best interest?)

Can I also ask about hip scores? I know for standard poodles the hip score is important. One best-practice breeder I've seen online has a litter whose parents have scores of 13 and 10. Is 13 too high? I see the grandparents of the one with a 10 had scores of 23 and 10. Does the score change during the dog's life?

If buying a puppy, I really want to ensure I'm supporting a caring, ethical breeder. It seems really hard to find a good one.

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TheHungryHungryLandsharks · 25/01/2026 16:23

The below is going to be very long, but I hope it's helpful!

I understand that health might be impacted if colour is prioritised over other qualities by breeders, but is it possible that even a litter from a well bred, thoroughly health tested pair can have some particolour pups?

It's entirely possible. But it doesn't meant those puppies would be right for you. Every puppy in a litter is very different - which sounds obvious, but just because you want a puppy doesn't mean it's the right choice for you.

My youngest girl is very high energy, high mouthyness (always got something in her mouth), quite submissive and very affectionate with a healthy dose of Golden Retriever typical separation anxiety - perfect, really, as our family dog. But, there were other puppies in the litter who would not have been suited to our family - despite being raised in the same home, in the same way.

On the below:

  • Inbreeding coefficient under 5%
  • Best / good practice breeder
  • Fully health-tested parents
  • Age of parents
  • How many litters each parent has had. (I see some sires producing dozens of litters, even for best-practice breeders -- is that really in the dog's best interest?)

I would suggest prioritising it like this:

  • Good Breeder & Fully Health-Tested parents (the two should go hand in hand)
  • Age of the parents/how many litters the bitch has had (no more than two litters for the bitch, no breeding before 3 - ideally - in a large breed dam, and no breeding after 5 years for the dam)
  • COI
  • How many litters the sire has had.

That's simply because whilst COI is important...you can have perfectly healthy dogs with very high COIs and very unhealthy dogs with low COI. Some of the healthiest dogs of my breed (Golden Retriever) are ones with slightly higher COIs. And genetic health of the parents/grandparents will always trump COI unless the COI is astronomical.

Sires can have dozens, if not 50+ litters. Not so much of an issue in a breed where there's lots of available studs and not an issue at all if that sire is very healthy and being bred with healthy bitches.

Think of it like this: would you rather a dog with more litters, who was the best of his breed for health, or a dog with less litters who was riddled with all manner of diseases?

Can I also ask about hip scores? I know for standard poodles the hip score is important. One best-practice breeder I've seen online has a litter whose parents have scores of 13 and 10. Is 13 too high? I see the grandparents of the one with a 10 had scores of 23 and 10. Does the score change during the dog's life?

It varies breed to breed. Parents scores are probably fine - not ideal, but fine. But the grandparent in question - no. The two scores for the hips should be similar. So 4/5 5/7 definitely not 23/10.

The scores can change during a dogs life - but that's when the dog is young. Big dogs often aren't fully grown (their growth plates don't settle) and don't reach physical maturity to 24 months, or later. The sooner hip scores are done, the better the score will be. It's something that people don't like to readily admit - as it's a practice that several big charities that are involved in dog breeding are known to do - but breeding a dog before their growth plates are 'finished' will always result in better scores.

Personally, I wouldn't go for that litter (sorry - it's easy to find litters when you know what to look for). The dam's mother has no hip scores - and the only reason that's not done in a breed where it's considered essential is because the breeder thinks something bad might turn up. And the sire's father has terrible hip scores. Two grandparents with either bad, or no, hip scores is not good - no matter how good the parents scores might seem. It's entirely possible those puppies might never suffer with hip issues...but with the generational scores I can see, I wouldn't take that risk. Hip dysplasia is painful, life-limiting and expensive to resolve.

SingSangSung · 25/01/2026 17:47

Thanks, that's very helpful.
My list wasn't in order of priorities but thanks for helping me get there. Your advice definitely makes sense.

Totally get that puppies within a litter will vary and not all be suitable for a specific family. We haven't yet visited any breeders with litters to see the dynamics in action but hopefully we'll get there eventually.

Sorry if my previous post wasn't clear but the 10 and 23 was the total hip score for each grandparent on the sire's side (one had a total score of 10 and the other a total score of 23). I agree the lack of a hip score for the dam's mother does seem like a potential red flag. I also saw a litter where the dam had been bred four times in less than two and a half years, which didn't feel comfortable for me.

ATM, there don't seem to be many good options - I'm keeping an eye on the KC and Champs. Any other tips for where to find good miniature or standard poodle breeders would be appreciated! I considered going to Crufts but can't get away that weekend.

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