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ZoeJo · 09/09/2025 09:04

Hi
I'm first time dog owner of a large 2yo (entire) male labrador who I've had since he was 2mo. I love him enormously and wouldn't trade him for the world.
I've found training him more complex than I expected and I feel like Ive made so many mistakes.
I think it's partly his personality. Even as a small pup, he has always been unusually independently minded and confident. He's not a cuddler by nature. He knows his own mind and has never really looked to me for leadership. He has never responded to praise or petting as 'rewards' as I think most retriever dogs would.

Thankfully he's also very clever, enjoys training and is very food orientated.
So I've been able to teach him all the basic commands, using treats, all of which he learned quickly and easily - sit, stay, wait, off, down, leave it, place, OK (release word), touch, heel, paw etc
However he mainly only does it for food and provided that there's nothing better to do.
I've been trying to reduce amount of treats with mixed succes.
What I hadn't appreciated was that teaching commands is only a fraction of dog training. The most important parts (for me anyway) are good manners. Like not jumping up at people, not stealing objects, not being pushy or bullish about getting what he wants. I'm finding good manners much harder to train.

He has good manners in some scenarios - meal times (waits until told), excellent car manners.

There are also so many lovely things about his personality. He's very playful and fun loving. Most importantly, he's very good natured, friendly to everyone; people and dogs. He wants to befriend everyone indiscriminately (to a fault). He gets lots of compliments about how healthy and handsome he looks, how lovely natured, non-aggressive, playful, lovely etc. Several strangers have told me they'd love a dog like him and wished he was their dog. Most of the time he's a dog I can be proud of.
But there really is something missing in my training of him.

An example from this morning. He knows he's not allowed in my bedroom. He sleeps in the hall outside my bedroom door. He's been really good for months about not trying to come in (mostly because I give him food rewards each time he doesnt). But now that I'm phasing food rewards out, this morning he pushed past me into my bedroom and jumped up on my bed. Last time he did that he desttoyed my bedding while I tried for 15 minutes to bribe him off of my bed with food. This time, he was right next to my most sentimental, prized possession in the world, a handmade quilt made for me by my Mum. I instantly and without thinking said "No!", grabbed his collar and dragged him off my bed and back to hall and shut the door. I've never dragged him like that before.
Now I'm worried that I've done wrong thing, and that it could lead to future problems - e.g. him trying again and next time growling at me(which he's never done to date) or developing a fear of having his collar touched and maybe growling or snapping at that (again, which he has never done to date).
I feel guilty and awful for dragging him off my bed by collar. All I can think of is to go back to constant food rewards and maybe clicker for not coming into my bedroom until he forgets about today. But I never envisaged having a dog who'd only do as I asked for constant food bribes.
I suppose I'm asking more exoerienced dog people:
How can I get an independently minded, super strong dog like him who doesn't respond to praise, to reliably do as I ask without constant food bribes? I hate that I resorted to force this morning without thinking :-( I've vowed never to do that again. But I also can't allow my 6 stone dog to keep running circles round me.

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deadpan · 10/09/2025 11:39

He sounds like a normal and well behaved dog. He's still young and pushing boundaries, he will do for a few more years no matter how much training he gets.
Basically most dog will do what they want to unless we tell them otherwise. As in people who let their dogs bark for long periods have happy dogs.
Try not to expect too much, he's only a dog. If you don't want him on your bed, shut the door. If you dont want him to get on a lovely comfy flat thing without the door being shut, I question how well behaved you're expecting an animal who is less intelligent than a monkey and on a par with a pig, to be.

Graia · 12/09/2025 23:19

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 09/09/2025 12:07

And yes, if treats work then keep using them! There’s absolutely logical reason to phase them out - you wouldn’t phase out praise so why phase out food?

Totally agree with this. What’s wrong with treats? I’ve had my girl for nearly two years (she was around 8 months when I got her), and I always have treats to hand for good behaviour (good quality treats, main meals adjusted accordingly). In the past 4 months or so, she seems to be weaning herself off them, but I still always have them handy. She behaves really well. Also, prevention (stair gate or simply shutting the door) is even better than a treat.

Bupster · 13/09/2025 09:41

OP to be honest, you're doing fine. But as others have said, you can't train a negative - you can't reward him for not going into your room, only for a different behaviour, like settling in the hallway. You can't really teach a dog not to pinch your stuff if it's left around, either - you have to put it away, and make his toys more interesting.

Dogs don't learn in quite the same way as us because they don't have any moral code - as others have said above, they'll do whatever's most rewarding in the moment. A young Lab will be boisterous and want to be close to you and be on your bed because it's comfortable. Teach an 'off', perhaps somewhere different, and as others have said, get a gate for the doorway or the hall if you can't shut the door.

Dogs don't really give a shit about 'leadership' (it's clarity they need) and they learn much better with treats than praise, though most do like praise (can dig out the research on this for you if you want it). You have a very normal dog who's behaving in very normal ways, and you don't have to bribe him to do stuff*. Moving him firmly is fine and won't turn him into a dangerous dog, but it would be better if he knew and listened to 'off'. At the same time, there's no real reason to stop rewarding him with treats, and for some things, like recall, I'd recommend always rewarding, forever.

*terms and conditions may apply. I still have to 'bribe' mine if he's got a real treasure, but he will usually swap it if the swap seems fair. As it generally is fair, when he pinches stuff in the house these days (not stealing, as he's a dog and has no moral code) he brings it to me and waits for his treatos - as he did last night with the remote control when I forgot to put it away when I ran up to the loo 😄

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