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Can you help me be more assertive about end of life support with my family, please

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Jimmyneutronsforehead · 21/08/2025 14:40

Hello, I'd really appreciate your help and kindness.

Our dog is a 15 year old Alaskan Malamute. He is old by any dogs standard, so it's no shock to us that he's declining.

The trouble I'm having is with the family I live with, we have had plenty of dogs, so we know they will leave us eventually, but it seems like my families ability to cope with the losses of previous dogs is causing extended suffering for our current pooch.

We did have another Alaskan Malamute which had liver failure a few years ago, and resulted in a painful, but thankfully short passing with assistance through euthanasia.

Our current dog isn't showing signs of organ failure, but he has lost his continence, and his mobility. He hasn't been able to go on longer walks for years, and for the past year he hasn't even been able to manage short walks other than happily pottering around the garden at his own pace. Now he can't even do that, he finds a spot, sits in it all day, and then requires support to get up the steps back into the house. He falls over frequently when walking, and he has no strength in his back legs to get back up. He's not a small dog, he is a giant, he was the largest of the litter, and he is really heavy, and we are short people.

We live in a multigenerational household, and my grandmother can't bare the idea of having another dog put to sleep, she found it terribly traumatic, and feels that pain relief and a natural passing would be best.

I on the other hand can't bear the thought of him struggling anymore. Earlier this year as winter was ending, he ended up with flystrike as he can't get up, and the constant washing of his back end leaves him damp which flies love, and it was days of plucking maggots, shaving, washing, disinfecting, drying, lots of soreness. I've just been out to try and get him back in due to the cold weather, and he fell over, was unsteady, and when he saw the steps he just turned round and plonked himself on the grass.

I've had a few conversations with the family, that I think it's time, we should give him a lovely weekend, shower him with treats and love, and either have the vet come out, or take him to the vets while we love on him, but as soon as it starts to get emotional the conversation gets shut down.

Another layer of complexity is that he is registered to my cousin, who doesn't live nearby. He came to live with us originally as a short stay while she moved home, but then found herself pregnant, and he ended up becoming a permanant addition. My nan thinks it should be up to my cousin to decide when it's finally time, but she is also in denial about it being the right time, and thinks we could do more, buy ramps, do some gentle physio with him, use pain relief etc.

We also have an autistic 6 year old at home, who we are always cautious with, and he does naturally stay away from the dog, but I worry that our dog won't be able to mask the pain much longer, and would not want to put him in a position where he snaps, nor my child in a position where he is being snapped at. It hasn't happened yet, but I know from experience with my sweet girl who had liver failure that it is a possibility as she snapped at me, which was one of the first signs of her deterioration.

I need help as I can't make this decision, he isn't technically my dog, but I do a large burden of care for him. I can't watch another dog struggle. My own childhood dog struggled similarly, and passed away from a stroke in my arms, and I so wish that I could prevent more suffering. How can I explain to my family who struggle with emotionally charged discussions that it is simply time for us to make that decision.

Thank you so much for reading.

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JurassicPark4Eva · 21/08/2025 14:47

I agree with you OP, this is not dignified for him in the slightest. I'll hold my opinion on the people around you, but you can guess it.

Get the cousin over and have a stern conversation with her - frankly I'd ask her to come care for him for a day and see what's really going on. Perhaps suggest your Gran take over all the care and mobilisation of him? Even if she absolutely couldn't, it demonstrates the level of need he has now.

Poor soul.

Would you be willing to consider home euthanasia with the vet coming to you? Would that help with peoples worries?

Get the vet to do a home visit now and discuss his options? And ask them to be highly specific on his quality of life, prognosis and next steps. In front of Gran and cousin.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 21/08/2025 14:47

I just want to add, he has had a wonderful life with us.

In their youth, when he came to live with us and we still had my sweet girl Sasha, I made sure they were getting the exercise they needed for their breed.

They were by all accounts fully trained sled dogs, despite living in the middle of england.

I used to take them both out on to our local fields on a specially designed sled dog scooter, and I must have looked like a crazy lady mushing my dogs, but they gave me some wonderful times, and I've really fond memories with them.

He was so cheeky in his youth, I once got a steak out of the freezer to thaw, turned round and there he was chomping it down. He has his own bit in our garden that we made pretty just for him to lay in, and access and move around in his old age.

He is so loved by the locals, our milkman leaves him a treat when he drops the milk off on a morning, and he waits at the gate for this old chap on a mobility scooter to bring his boxer round, but he just can't do that anymore either.

We live on a school route, so he used to sit by the gate waiting for the children to come round and give him a fuss, and he would escort the postman up the path to our house. These are things he also can't do anymore.

His world is just so small. I dread winter, if he is still with us, because our house gets busier as the family hub, and yet he can't take himself outside for space. His old bones can't cope with the cold anymore.

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Smartiepants79 · 21/08/2025 14:47

So where is the dogs actual owner? It’s nuts that the person who is actually looking after the animal can’t make decisions about his care.
You know what needs doing. But I really don’t know how you’re going to achieve it. The situation has been left and allowed to get to this point. Either ownership of the dog needs to be given over to you. Or the actual owner of the animal needs to come and take proper responsibility for it.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 21/08/2025 14:52

Smartiepants79 · 21/08/2025 14:47

So where is the dogs actual owner? It’s nuts that the person who is actually looking after the animal can’t make decisions about his care.
You know what needs doing. But I really don’t know how you’re going to achieve it. The situation has been left and allowed to get to this point. Either ownership of the dog needs to be given over to you. Or the actual owner of the animal needs to come and take proper responsibility for it.

She lives a few villages away, and she visits every other Saturday when she comes to bring her children to visit my nan.

We've had quite a few stern chats about his declining health, and I've said that we need to make a decision, but she's always said not right now, it's not the right time, he still has some quality of life, but his quality of life is restricted heavily to treats. That's it. He will eat and he will drink so she doesn't see why he can't just live and pass on naturally.

I would happily assume ownership of the dog.

I don't know if proof of ownership is needed for euthanasia, I didn't need it with my girl, but I am well known to our local vet. They were a bit iffy with me booking him in for his jabs a few years ago but have been fine since.

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Jimmyneutronsforehead · 21/08/2025 14:58

JurassicPark4Eva · 21/08/2025 14:47

I agree with you OP, this is not dignified for him in the slightest. I'll hold my opinion on the people around you, but you can guess it.

Get the cousin over and have a stern conversation with her - frankly I'd ask her to come care for him for a day and see what's really going on. Perhaps suggest your Gran take over all the care and mobilisation of him? Even if she absolutely couldn't, it demonstrates the level of need he has now.

Poor soul.

Would you be willing to consider home euthanasia with the vet coming to you? Would that help with peoples worries?

Get the vet to do a home visit now and discuss his options? And ask them to be highly specific on his quality of life, prognosis and next steps. In front of Gran and cousin.

I'd happily have the vet out, I think it would be the best thing for him to be assessed and to go peacefully at home.

My nan does do a lot of his care too already, so I don't think she would see this as an additional burden. I will be kind to my nan though, because she has been in a carer role since she had children, and I think to her, she would see euthanasia as a personal failure, like she is giving up on him.

I think the vet would be very much on the same page as me, so I want to address it with my nan in a way that doesn't feel like a pile on.

She does see the same things I see, she does the same things I do, we both mop up accidents and sponge down his back end, and have to lift him into the house, and I know she loves him like I do too. At the same time, this isn't the only area of life where she has demonstrated stubbornness, but she does feel like we murdered our old girl when we had her put to sleep, and should have paid for more tests and treatments and that we could have fixed her if we just tried hard enough.

If he isn't registered as my dog, can I still ask for euthanasia? I can demonstrate that I have done the burden of his care for most of his life.

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SpanielsGalore · 21/08/2025 15:57

My ex was like this and accused me of wanting to murder our dog when I said it was time to have him PTS. I booked a vet appointment and made him come with me, so the vet could spell it out for him.
It sounds like your dog has no quality of life left and is suffering. Is he on pain relief? He has had a great life and has reached a fantastic age. But I think you now need to arrange an appointment and get the vet to tell the rest of the family it's time to let him go.
I don't think your cousin gets a say in it, unless she has paid all of his expenses over the years.

OnlyHerefortheBiscuits · 21/08/2025 16:11

I'm sorry but your cousin lost all credibility and authority as the dog's owner when she declared him inconvenient to her and shipped him off somewhere else.

The effing cheek of it. No one cares about him as much as the person doing all the heavy lifting (literally!) of care day in and day out.

Ohmygodthepain · 21/08/2025 16:18

Have a chat with the vet. Sound them out about if they would euthenise on your say-so.

Ask them to do a home visit (getting a huge immobile dog to the vets can't be an easy task) to assess and speak to family members about his actual health and quality of life, then make a plan from there. How can euthenising a poorly dog who's got to 15 years old with you he ANY sort of failure?

Ficklebricks · 21/08/2025 16:36

OnlyHerefortheBiscuits · 21/08/2025 16:11

I'm sorry but your cousin lost all credibility and authority as the dog's owner when she declared him inconvenient to her and shipped him off somewhere else.

The effing cheek of it. No one cares about him as much as the person doing all the heavy lifting (literally!) of care day in and day out.

I have to agree with this. Perhaps your cousin should be forced to care for him for a few days to see what his life is really like, then she may come round to the idea.

noctilucentcloud · 21/08/2025 17:45

I agree with you OP, I think the time has come for euthanasia (I actually think that time came a while ago). I feel very strongly that this is a responsibility as an owner. However, you're in such a difficult position as not the owner. I think I'd talk to the vet and explain and see if they'll make a recommendation, then it's a professionals advice. I'd also have a look at online quality of life questionnaires, they might help shock your family into realising how low a quality of life your dog now has. It struck me as so sad that all your memories of things he loved are now things that you say he can no longer enjoy. I have an old dog myself (though younger than yours!) and have already started thinking about what will be the hard lines for me that go, no, his quality of life has crossed into not ok. I want him to still have good happy days at the end. I wish you luck for sorting something for your poor boy because he doesn't deserve the end to be like this.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 21/08/2025 17:46

OnlyHerefortheBiscuits · 21/08/2025 16:11

I'm sorry but your cousin lost all credibility and authority as the dog's owner when she declared him inconvenient to her and shipped him off somewhere else.

The effing cheek of it. No one cares about him as much as the person doing all the heavy lifting (literally!) of care day in and day out.

We have a strained relationship anyway, but it'd not be surprising for me to tell you she actually did the same thing with her kids who live with her parents, and then got another dog that is reactive to dogs, which is one of the many reasons she never took him back. That's a whole other thread, and more complex than I am simplifying here, but you all have the right impression of her for sure.

I'm just worried that as dogs are legally considered property, it will put barriers in place for me making sure he has a comfortable end of life without her consent. I've read that the vet can override owner consent where it constitutes an emergency, but I don't know whether they'd consider this an emergency. I certainly do, but it's not a case of him bleeding out, or having an active life threatening event.

I've managed to get him inside for now, I've wiped his back end up again, I've put his blanket around him and sat and given him a big cuddle, and cried a few times. I'll have to repeat this process another 2 or 3 more times before bed tonight so he can have time to relieve himself.

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myplace · 21/08/2025 17:54

Talk to the vet and see whether he’ll consider it an emergency given your care over the previous years.

Talk to your gran about how this IS pain relief. He is dying. The pain relief he needs now is very strong- dogs don’t spend time in bed on a morphine pump- that’s inappropriate. Dogs who can no longer move under their own steam are bed bound and that’s unhealthy , unpleasant and unnatural- they are dying.

Ask your gran why you all have to drag out the dying process when it could be done gently and calmly.

myplace · 21/08/2025 17:56

And tell your cousin that either she agrees the dog belongs to you, or she owes you however
many thousand for the board and keep of her dog.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 21/08/2025 18:10

noctilucentcloud · 21/08/2025 17:45

I agree with you OP, I think the time has come for euthanasia (I actually think that time came a while ago). I feel very strongly that this is a responsibility as an owner. However, you're in such a difficult position as not the owner. I think I'd talk to the vet and explain and see if they'll make a recommendation, then it's a professionals advice. I'd also have a look at online quality of life questionnaires, they might help shock your family into realising how low a quality of life your dog now has. It struck me as so sad that all your memories of things he loved are now things that you say he can no longer enjoy. I have an old dog myself (though younger than yours!) and have already started thinking about what will be the hard lines for me that go, no, his quality of life has crossed into not ok. I want him to still have good happy days at the end. I wish you luck for sorting something for your poor boy because he doesn't deserve the end to be like this.

I've been crying on and off all day because it's so hard seeing him not be able to do the things he loved to do.

I keep thinking about the return to school and how he won't be waiting at the gate to greet me after the school run, or waiting to see if there's any icecream cone left from the icecream we get on the way back.

A good day for him is laying in a sunny spot, because it stops his joints from aching as much, but we can't get him in the car anymore, so we can't take him to any scenic spots for nice long walks or sit at a nice bench and watch the ducks. His only pleasure is spending time with us.

He is on painkillers, but they're not helping like they used to. I spend a lot of time flexing his back legs and gently rubbing them to try and just get the muscles warmed up.

I'm going to have the vet out tomorrow. If they can't advise PTS because I'm not the owner, I will ask if they can increase his painkillers at all.

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noctilucentcloud · 21/08/2025 20:05

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 21/08/2025 18:10

I've been crying on and off all day because it's so hard seeing him not be able to do the things he loved to do.

I keep thinking about the return to school and how he won't be waiting at the gate to greet me after the school run, or waiting to see if there's any icecream cone left from the icecream we get on the way back.

A good day for him is laying in a sunny spot, because it stops his joints from aching as much, but we can't get him in the car anymore, so we can't take him to any scenic spots for nice long walks or sit at a nice bench and watch the ducks. His only pleasure is spending time with us.

He is on painkillers, but they're not helping like they used to. I spend a lot of time flexing his back legs and gently rubbing them to try and just get the muscles warmed up.

I'm going to have the vet out tomorrow. If they can't advise PTS because I'm not the owner, I will ask if they can increase his painkillers at all.

I'm sure if he could he'd say thank you for giving him a fun life and looking out for him now.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 22/08/2025 11:54

We had the vet out this morning. Our dog was on his best behaviour, suddenly bouncing round the garden.

Had to explain that he has his moments like this, but otherwise is really struggling. Can't get him upstairs to the bath, can't get him in the car to the groomers, having to give him sponge baths everyday, he can't stand for a full groom and he has matting where he lays all day but I don't want to cut it out and risk giving him friction burn or expose skin to the cold floor, but I must have looked like I was fibbing because he had suddenly mustered some puppy dog energy.

The vet said she wouldn't consider it an emergency based on what she can see but she believes what I'm telling her, except she can't tell me when it's time, only we can make that decision.

She did an overall check of him, he has a fatty mass on his chest that has started going down one leg and she said that will most certainly be putting strain on his heart, but he is otherwise a good healthy weight for a dog his age, his gums are beautiful. He has an inoperable growth above his eye that he keeps knocking off and then it grows back again, but she said it isn't infected, if it was and antibiotics weren't an option then she would refuse to operate given anaesthetic at this age is risky anyway and may consider that grounds for emergency, and she reckons it's a matter of when, not if.

She doesn't recommend changing his pain relief because of strain to his kidneys, and she is pro-euthanasia for a peaceful passing but ultimately wasn't able to say or leave me anything to pass on to relatives that says it is definitely the right time, just that at 15 with age related mobility issues and continence issues, it's a very personal matter and whatever we decide.

So I feel like I'm stuck back at square one.

It's been a very emotional and costly morning.

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Campingisnexttogodliness · 22/08/2025 12:01

Next visit hand cousin a bowl and sponge and tell her the ddog's arse needs cleaning..
Text her every evening she needs to come over and do it...
Make it clear you are happy to pay for pts...
She stinks. Much worse than your pooches bum imo.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 22/08/2025 12:01

This is our gentle boy.

Can you help me be more assertive about end of life support with my family, please
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Campingisnexttogodliness · 22/08/2025 12:04

Ah beautiful soul .. We lost our husky after a stroke in February... Still in shock I think. She was 11...

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