Poodle breeder

[Poodlepoppa]

Hi, after lots of research and waiting and waiting until the time was right, we have decided to go down the poodle route for our first dog/puppy.

I have spent hours on the Kennel Club and Champdogs sites but nothing has jumped out at me so far.

We want a puppy that has been bred ethically and from parents who are genetically clear of any diseases that they can be tested for.

I came across a wonderful breeder by chance, but her puppies are all going to new homes this week and her next litter will be next summer.

So, can anyone help to point me in the direction of another wonderful, ethical breeder of fully health tested miniature poodles? Since finding one that looked amazing, I’m sure there must be others hidden away somewhere!

Honestly, I'd wait for that breeder. Breeders who breed carefully, have fully heath tested dogs (with the best scores) and who are picky about who they will sell to are worth their weight in gold.

And I'd take any recommendations for breeders from people on mumsnet with a large pinch of salt - the last few that have been recommended (of various breeds - poodle, Goldie and cockerpoos) were clear puppy farms.

https://www.standardpoodleclub.com/copy-of-buying-a-puppy

There are contact details at the bottom of this page for available puppies!

That is a standard poodle, not miniature that the OP asked for. 😊

The stud also does not have any registered elbow scores - which is pretty much a bare minimum for a standard poodle - on Champ Dogs. And so is not fully health tested. Which means even if OP wanted a Standard Poodle she'd do well to avoid this particular stud. (And, yes, I have a lot of free time on my hands today).

This is the UKs official poodle club site.

It is 100% leading the ethical standard for this breed and there is a lot of information about how that is done on the website. Champdogs is where the club would go to advertise. The club is where the champions are coming from.

The elbow scores etc would be provided on request. Not sure they post those, as standard, at the advertising of puppy stage.

That being said, I didn't see that a miniature was required (apologies!) and can't seem to find the club? Do you see one anywhere? Maybe the standard club could point OP in the right direction.

Hi OP,

Found this for you:

British Toy Poodle Club
Mrs S Martin
Green Acres
Runwell Chase
Runwell
Wickford Essex
SS11 7PU
Tele: 01268 735714

https://www.poodleforum.com/threads/good-mini-poodle-breeders-uk.283424/

The link shows regional clubs, too, so might be worth a click!

Really glad you're looking for an ethical breeder!

If you have found a good breeder I'd hold your nerve and wait for the next litter.

In the meantime, if I were you , I would fill up your "good-deeds-done" by volunteering at shelters for walkies or just being with them, walking/ people's dogs or caring for the dogs during owners hospital stays, (Cinnamon Trust), looking after neighbours and friends' dogs etc... perhaps even raising a guide dog puppy (though this is probably a good 12-18 month commitment and you need to have the stomach to hand the dog over when the time comes)

P.s poodle is a brilliant choice, especially for a first dog!

@FluffyWabbit just because it's the official site does not mean all the breeders are ethical, sadly! The UK Golden Retriever Club in the UK advertised the litter of a breeder who had six breeding bitches that didn't live with her - she bought them to her house to be bred from - and even recommended her to a poster on mumsnet a few months ago, and the Cockerpoo Club of GB routinely advertises litters from well-known puppy farmers.

Given all the dogs other health scores are available, it does beg the question why it's elbow scores are not when they are considered essential for standard poodles. My first assumption, and probably the right one based off experience, is that if a health score is not being declared it is because the owners know that the score is not up to muster. Why wouldn't you advertise how healthy the dam and sire are if you're trying to sell puppies? Surely the only reason not to advertise it is because you are trying to hide something?

The above is why I think if OP has found a breeder they are happy with, they would be best off waiting. Good breeders are hard to find.

Go to poodle dog shows - we have Bernese mountain dogs, which are hard to find, and we got all 4 over the years from breeders we met at the shows. There will be poodle dog shows too.

With respect, the information you are providing is incorrect and I think you have your wires crossed, unfortunately.

The Cockerpoo club would not be ethical given that the cockerpoo is not even a recognised breed so there is no breed standard. Therefore, it would be expected that puppy farmers would be rife from that 'club'.

Kennel Club is not likely to screen their members rigorously, so it would not be advisable to look for puppies there unless confirming they are a member of the national club for the breed, in the first instance.

Champdogs is much more reputable but, as previously stated, the national breed club would advertise via Champdogs. Champdogs is not the breed club, itself.

The national poodle club will have breeders who are part of championship dog shows. Their names will be listed on a public register to confirm the show placement of individual champion dogs and these can be cross referenced on the club site.

The generational winners will also be public and they cannot be winners of a show, or even be eligible to place, if there are hereditary issues like those that you are mentioning. These breeders will back this up with paperwork, upon request, and also guarantee the health of the dogs for life.

Someone mentioned going to a show, which is a great idea, too! You can ring the club and ask them when the next show is in your area.

@FluffyWabbit we’ve disagreed before, and we will again.

Most of what you’ve said is, as with the dog being left to cry and scream for hours, nonsense.

Eugh pressed send to soon. The fact is, all that dogs other health scores are up - except elbows - and it is widely accepted across the breeding industry that the ONLY reason dogs are not health tested fully and their scores aren’t available easily is because the breeder or owner knows the scores are likely to be poor. I would know, I’ve spent most of the last ten years working with the KC trying to make full health testing mandatory for all breeders.

You can dislike cockerpoos as much as you want, but the club is the plave to go to ‘find breeders.’ I don’t like Frenchies or Pugs - honestly, I think the breed should be allowed to die out it’s so defective - but I’d never turn around and say the breed club wasn’t valid.

The only sure way to know you are getting a well bred dog is research, going on champ dogs or the KC or the breed club and picking a litter out a random ‘just because they’re a breed club member’ is like going to the supermarket and picking a punnet of strawberries at random and expecting none to be rotted. You might find a good punnet, but chances are you won’t.

Ok, happy to agree to disagree since you are now reducing what started off as a mutual concern for dogs and help for the OP, to false nonsense just to save face and demonstrate you're correct when you're not.

The OP will wade through the white noise and find the proper way.

My dogs are from worldwide champions whom I met in the actual ring at Crufts, whom I mentor through and am friends with etc, but I'm sure you know more from your armchair of feels.

Best of luck to you but, more importantly, OP

MN does not like the edit button, I guess.

Added to say:

Kennel Club is not a reputable club. It's rife with puppy farms, imports from Russia whose lineage cannot be confirmed (they warn of this on their own site at KC!) and, if you worked for the KC, surely you would know these things.

Most reputable breeders no longer use KC as a platform for puppies, for this reason. Most club breeders want a referral to show that someone is a responsible pet owner, or proof of previous experience with the breed etc, and the general population will only know puppies are available via word of mouth, after it's determined the puppies can't progress into show due to breed standards, etc.

So, it's rare to have puppies for sale on the club page as you normally have to reach out, directly, to the chairsperson of the breed club (hence my suggestion) who will point you towards someone who may or may not have puppies or put you on a waiting list.

Health scores will be provided upon request along with confirmation of the breed genealogy going back at least 5 generations and a lifelong health guarantee.

OP, please do PM me if you want assistance. I am good friends with Crufts breeders/leaders for a few breeds and a fancier of a particular breed. I do not personally know any Crufts or championship breeders for poodles, specifically, but breeders are all well connected and, in many cases, friends. They look after each others dogs, go to international conferences together etc. Hope this helps!

I'd wait the year without a second though OP. You often have to get your name down early or wait a while for a good pup.

Interesting. I went to that breeder.
I was overwhelmed at the sheer number of available puppies of different ages.

Are you on Champ Dogs?

https://www.champdogs.co.uk/?classic_site=1

https://www.champdogs.co.uk/breeds/miniature-poodle/puppies