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Golden retriever or border terrier

37 replies

RoseaPlena · 26/07/2025 16:08

Would welcome any thoughts on these breeds. Us:

Late 40s couple, two grown up children.
Live quite rurally but spend time in London regularly visiting family
Very active, love walking
We go to the beach almost daily and swim a lot
Work from home (apart from one day a week when our pup would go to daycare)
Fairly experienced owners- grew up with dogs and have had a dog for the last ten years. But neither of these breeds.

My thoughts

I love goldens and think they are beautiful and all the ones I know have beautiful natures.
Am not too houseproud so don't mind a bit of shedding
We have a large garden and house so space for a larger breed

Borders are also beautiful and look so full of character but I don't know any well. Slightly nervous about digging and barking a lot?
We do have cats although I've had cats with a high prey drive dog before and know how to train (and would be getting the dog as a pup).

Thanks for any views!

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ThierryHwasthebest · 26/07/2025 16:29

I grew up with GR’s and we had one when my son was younger so I would say so long as you don’t mind shedding and drooling then I would say a GR all day long.
They are brilliant dogs and I would love to have another one (or 10!).

savvy7 · 26/07/2025 16:31

I have a border terrier and he has never been a digger and he likes cats as was brought up with one from a puppy. Like all dogs, they're individuals so won't necessarily display all breed characteristics. He doesn't bark either !

Dearg · 26/07/2025 16:35

Two of my favourites. Never had a Border, but of the ones I meet, I would say, male Borders can be grumpy with other dogs and possibly require extra socialisation with lots of different male dogs to get over this.

For that reason, I would only ever have a female Border.

GR , fab dogs, very very hairy. What would you do with them while in London - can they be with you ?

I have had a GR ( Male) and he was very steady; easy to train and great with other dogs and people. But he was big.

Both seem to have lovely personalities . Sorry no real help .

ilovemydogandmrobama2 · 26/07/2025 16:37

I've mostly has golden retrievers.

My advice would be to get a recommendation for a breeder as they are a popular breed, and some unscrupulous people run puppy farms.

So, be prepared to wait for the right puppy.

They are people pleasers, and respond really well to slight discipline, and praise.

Be sure and take to puppy training at an early stage as I've seen some very over enthusiastic golden retriever puppies grow up into bouncing dogs who don't know their own strength.

They are brilliant taking to the beach and are natural swimmers, and it's so enjoyable going to the beach with dogs.

Oh and get a fulminator - they are the only comb that gets the undercoat.

WowIlikereallyhateyou · 26/07/2025 16:39

I would go GR, but be prepared for fur. I really dislike Borders, every one i have come across has always been snarly, yappy and aggressive towards me.

TheOliveFinch · 26/07/2025 16:48

I love orders and have had 2 , one male one female and both really good natured and great with other dogs , although a lot of borders don’t like water soif you spend a lot of time at the beach a goldie might be a better fit , 2 of my favourite breeds

WinterNightStars · 26/07/2025 16:53

I’ve had goldens for 30+ years (only 1 from a pup, others all rescues) & they really are fabulous dogs. If you don’t mind hoovering it’s all good 🤣 My parents had terriers & I found they could be quite grumpy & unpredictable at times.

averylongtimeago · 26/07/2025 19:36

I don’t know about Borders, but we have had Goldies for over 40 years.
Personally I prefer bitches, the boys can be very big and strong and often don’t know their own strength.

Goldens are almost as food obsessed as Labradors- which does make them easier to train as most would sell their souls for a piece of dried sausage.
And you do need to train them- they are big strong dogs who can easily pull you over.
They love people- very family oriented and are generally very laid back although obviously they are all individuals. Pretty great all round family dog, especially if you like the outdoors and are up for giving them the exercise they need.

Downsides: the fur. If you haven’t seen it you wouldn’t believe just how much they can shed.
Mud and water. The only thing a retriever likes more than food is water, the muddier the better. If they can get a spot of fox poo rolling in as well, they are in heaven.
The last thing is: they don’t live long enough. They are prone to cancer (just lost our lovely girl to this age 12) and dodgy hips. Check the hip scores of the parents carefully and ask questions of the breeder before committing.

CymruChris · 26/07/2025 19:41

I have a golden, he is the most beautiful dog and amazing with the kids.
I echo all the advice above re finding a good breeder.
I actually think I will only ever have golden retrievers again now!
BUT
"a little bit of shedding" doesn't even come close 🤣

LandSharksAnonymous · 26/07/2025 19:50

Golden Retrievers are lovely. They are also arseholes.

They are beautiful to look at (if you click on the current 'Dog Adolescent' thread, you'll see one of mine + some puppies if you want to go 'awww'), but there is far more to them than good looks and shedding.

They stay young for years - my youngest is 2.5 now and still a massive bellend - and that means that they can be frustratingly idiotic. They will do stupid things, and not understand that they're being naughty and think it's all a big game (because to them, it is). It's incredibly easy to find that frustrating, because it is, but they are also very sensitive and so you can't find it frustrating.

They are also, incredibly, intelligent when they want to be. Lots will be happy not being particularly entertained, but even if you get one like that you need to be aware that they will find their own mischief (and they can be massive diggers). Yes, they are food motivated, but they can also be independent and irritating (see above about staying young for a long time).

They can be incredibly high energy, even the show lines. Just because one person's Golden Retriever is fine with 60 minutes a day does not mean yours will be - and whilst people say 'my Golden is five with 60 minutes' that may be the case, but I guarantee the dog would be much happier with more. Lots of people underestimate their exercise needs and think because they don't protest the way a GSD might, that it's okay. My eldest is 13 and she is still capable of doing 3-4 mile walks every morning and then doing the same in the evening. She gets at least 90 minutes of exercise a day (breed life expectancy is about 10 - 12 years these days) so by her age she should have slowed down massively. I know lots of other show Golden's like her. And again, if they are not properly exercised = mischief.

They are prone to all manner of expensive and life-limiting health conditions (Eyes, Dysplasia, Heart defects) as well as susceptible to other issues like bloat, cancer etc. My boy costs £75 a month to insure (£15K cover - anything less really won't get you far if there is a serious issue), and over £150 a month to feed. They are expensive.

They are strong and therefore good training, as I am sure you know, is sooo important - I often see people walking retrievers (including labs) and they're being pulled along by them, or the dog lunges to say hi to someone and they stagger after them.

They can be prone to resource guarding, and to excessive mouthing. The latter isn't too problematic - although it makes them badly suited to families with young children IME because children wind them up and can make the mouthing worse - the former is quite problematic, as people don't tend to expect it and often aren't equipped to handle it with such a large breed.

All that being said, I would never be without a Goldie. They are perfect.

There are literally thousands of Golden Retriever breeders in the UK. That doesn't make buying a well-bred Golden Retriever easy. In fact, it's incredibly difficult to find one who will have done all the health tests you want on both parents (and grandparents etc), let alone hits all the other criteria.

ClaredeBear · 26/07/2025 20:02

Not sure if this helps but I have my own little dog and I’d look after a smaller dog for friends while they went away but I wouldn’t look after a drooling, shedding dog, so maybe worth asking friends and family what they’d be willing to do if you go on holiday. Also I should imagine any terrier is hardier than a Golden.

villainousbroodmare · 26/07/2025 20:06

Goldies are hard work until age 2. Barky, mouthy, wild and hairy. Great dogs after that, given a lot of appropriate sensitive training, sweethearts, but demanding.
Border will be quicker to mature and less of a handful ime.

MandyMotherOfBrian · 27/07/2025 14:50

villainousbroodmare · 26/07/2025 20:06

Goldies are hard work until age 2. Barky, mouthy, wild and hairy. Great dogs after that, given a lot of appropriate sensitive training, sweethearts, but demanding.
Border will be quicker to mature and less of a handful ime.

I agree with this. I used to live with two Border Terriers (I don't mean we were all named on the tenancy, I mean my house mate owned them ) and I currently have a Golden Retriever. I adore him but he is VERY needy. The Borders were adorable little guys but, although they were happy to have cuddles, they did also allow us to have our own lives outside of theirs.

Also... Am not too houseproud so don't mind a bit of shedding...
A 'bit' doesn't cover it. I used to have three Labradors at the same time and they, collectively, shed less than my current fur monster. He's adorable, everybody loves him (he's even almost converted a previously non-dog lover friend!). But he's A LOT. And I'm a really seasoned dog owner: Labradors, Greyhounds, Spaniels and all manner of looked after doogies in between. I think it's just what they're like, so if you d go for it, be prepared. They are worth it though 😍

IchLiebeDeutscheSchaferhunde · 27/07/2025 15:01

I think cost is a massive issue here.

I have just taken on a GSD so similar size to a Goldie, and the monthly cost, in comparison to my previous dog (a 15kg mix breed) is astronomical. The food, the surgery, the health plan, the insurance, the long lasting chews that cost £5 and last 2 minutes, just everything is significantly more expensive.

But I have missed having a large breed, until my last dog I had only had GSDs, and having one again is perfect for me. But it is expensive.

whatisgoingonandwhy · 27/07/2025 23:21

I have a male border and he is bomb proof with loads of personality. No digging and hardly ever barks. He is the first dog I have owned and he is a belter. No separation anxiety but also loves a tummy rub. Took him to puppy classes and although he knows what he needs to do he is really quite stubborn but adds to his charm. He is 8 now and has never been to vets for anything than his annual booster and health check. Get a border

Newpeep · 28/07/2025 10:39

My border is 3 and she lives with a cat, doesn’t dig and isn’t overly barky. She is supremely intelligent and needs a ‘job’ to do. She does agility and rally obedience and does very well in both. They can be tricky to train so you have to really motivate them well. Her recall is excellent and she’s never run off. She’s fine with other dogs and wonderful with people.

coffeemonster28 · 28/07/2025 11:16

I am biased because I have a golden, she is an absolutely amazing girl and brings so much joy to our lives. However, as others said: they are big, bouncy dogs, she is much more chilled now that she is almost 3 but the mouthing as a puppy was spectacular and I had bruises on my legs until she was about 8 months old. Recall training took a long while because she wanted to say hello to every dog and every human, golden's default position is "everybody is a friend". This meant I spent most of the time in puppy classes mortified because she just wanted to play with other dogs (in hindsight, probably should have taken her to 1:1 classes). However, her recall is now great so we got there in the end.
You need to embrace golden glitter (shedding) and love of mud/water, and living with a cuddle monster, they like to be as close as possible to their pack. But their enthusiasm is infectious and they are very loving, mine brings "gifts" (stick etc. as a retriever she likes carrying things in her mouth) from walks for my wife every morning. Locally, I am known as "the woman with golden retriever" and she has a fan club in the neighbourhood, greeting loads of people as we go on our walks.

YourWinter · 28/07/2025 11:21

Definitely border terrier. Longer lives, far fewer health problems, easy to train, easy to transport, easy to wash and dry, cheap to feed, easy to pick up should you need to, far less moulting. I love goldens, we adopted an 8 year old from friends many years ago but lost her to mammary cancer aged 11. I wouldn’t have another.

Xiaoxiong · 28/07/2025 11:30

I love my golden, he doesn't drool at all, is bomb-proof around food on low tables and sheds surprisingly little apart from when we actually brush him. BUT he is an enthusiastic digger!! So no guarantee that any dog breed will or will not be a digger, in my experience - you just have to train them as well as you can and watch them like a hawk where temptation is presented.

@coffeemonster28 we are still struggling with recall for the same reason, at 2 years old - everyone is his bestest best friend forever. But I refuse to be that person trilling "oh he's friendly, he just wants to play" as an off-lead 35kg dog barrels over (even though it's 100% true) so he's still on a long line a lot of the time and every walk feels like it's groundhog day with recall training. Any suggestions welcome!!

Loubylie · 28/07/2025 11:38

All the border terriers I meet are polite and friendly. The labs and goldies are often too exuberant. Hooray Henries.
I wouldn't want a shedding dog or an overly bouncy one. Depends on your preference.

Loubylie · 28/07/2025 11:40

Xiaoxiong · 28/07/2025 11:30

I love my golden, he doesn't drool at all, is bomb-proof around food on low tables and sheds surprisingly little apart from when we actually brush him. BUT he is an enthusiastic digger!! So no guarantee that any dog breed will or will not be a digger, in my experience - you just have to train them as well as you can and watch them like a hawk where temptation is presented.

@coffeemonster28 we are still struggling with recall for the same reason, at 2 years old - everyone is his bestest best friend forever. But I refuse to be that person trilling "oh he's friendly, he just wants to play" as an off-lead 35kg dog barrels over (even though it's 100% true) so he's still on a long line a lot of the time and every walk feels like it's groundhog day with recall training. Any suggestions welcome!!

Get a book called Total Recall. The method works.

BarnacleBeasley · 28/07/2025 11:42

My dog hates goldens and likes border terriers, so he votes border.

Xiaoxiong · 28/07/2025 11:42

Thanks @Loubylie - downloading on kindle now!

TheSandgroper · 03/08/2025 16:03

1). The clue is in the name. Retrievers pick something up and bring it to you to make themselves feel good. Terriers including Borders (best dogs ever) are bred to go away, find something and shout at you “I’m over here. Come and see what I have found”.

2). Make your decision on the size of the pile of shit you are happy to pick up. Bigger dog means big piles. Border terriers fed right produce neat little torpedoes.

One of my favourite magazine articles ever https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/gundogs/terrier-breeds-anarchists/

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/news/english-and-french-bulldogs-top-insurance-table/

Want to save money on dog insurance? Get a Border terrier

If you don’t want to spend a fortune on dog insurance, then get a Border terrier. Insuring Borders costs around £214 annually according to a new study.  Some Borders have even been seen in the beating line. (Read more on terriers in the beating line he...

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/news/english-and-french-bulldogs-top-insurance-table/

VanGoSunflowers · 04/08/2025 09:15

Get one of each 😊