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Framilode · 16/07/2025 19:14

We adopted our dog 6 years ago, she was a rescue. She is a tiny little thing and before we had her she had become pregnant by a very large dog. She had 7 large puppies inside her which had pushed her spine up and split the skin which was infested with maggots. Somebody heard her screaming and rushed her to the vets where she had a hysterectomy. She wasn't expected to survive, but did, and she is the sweetest, gentlest dog we have had.
Back to now. She has been struggling with activity, can't go upstairs, difficulty with movement etc. and the vet says arthritis. This has come on very suddenly. She is only just 8 and in May she was fine.
She has been put on Librela and pain killers. I asked for x rays but they said the anaesthetic risk was a factor and to try the medical route first.
Today she is almost paralysed. Can hardly take 2 steps. We are seeing the vet on Friday but I feel it is her spine not just arthritis. I am so worried. Does anybody have any ideas?

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SaintGermain · 16/07/2025 19:20

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LandSharksAnonymous · 16/07/2025 19:22

@SaintGermain and for every person who says it hasn't work, there is someone it has worked for. Satan dog has been on librella for five years. It's completely changed her life. She's thrived on it. I know dozens of other dogs like her.

OP, I have to be honest, I wouldn't be waiting two days for a vets appointment. I'd be going tonight to an out of hours practice. None of us can say what's wrong with your dog, and no qualified vet would post on here suggesting ideas, but if your dog cannot walk that is urgent and requires an urgent vet visit.

SaintGermain · 16/07/2025 19:22

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SaintGermain · 16/07/2025 19:23

10th May Dogs first

LIBRELA TRAGEDY
Can't stop thinking about the results of that Librela study by Farrell et al. (2025), published yesterday.

Ligament/tendon injury, polyarthritis, fracture, musculoskeletal neoplasia (new bone growth) and septic arthritis were reported NINE TIMES more frequently in Librela-treated dogs than the combined total of dogs treated with the comparator drugs for osteoarthritis.

Again, 9 times more than all the other drugs combined.

The 18-member expert panel unanimously concluded a strong suspicion of a causal association between Librela and accelerated joint destruction.

Many, like vet Josie Beug, have been warning us for a year to pay heed to the fact Librela managed to accumulate many times more adverse event reports since its release in the US in Oct 2023 (12,234 serious adverse event reports in just 18mths in America alone) than its nearest competitor, Rimadyl has EVER.

Bedinvetmab (Librela) was unleashed on the US pet market in October 2023 with an enormous budget from Zoetis and two small (highly questionable) studies (conducted by them). And that's all it took for, it seems, the worlds vets to start recommending it.

Because that's how it works, isn't it? A brand new, patented drug, shat out by the industry, accompanied by two little studies (run by them) and off we go to the races.

The first study, a safety and tolerance study, looked at varying doses of Librela (1mg/kg, 5mg/kg, 10mg/kg) in young, healthy, intact dogs aged 11-12 months. There was just 8 dogs in each group. After 6mths they did neurological tests, checked their vitals and that was that.

See, the manufacturers tested their drugs on young, robust dogs with no joint issues.

Farrell et al. (2025) were looking at side effects in older dogs with joint disease.

And they can do that little trial as often as they like AND they don't have to publish all the negative ones.

This was followed by, if you can believe it, a 6-month in-field study of 89 client-owned dogs WHO HAD PREVIOUSLY DEMONSTRATED A POSITIVE RESPONSE TO LIBRELA. After 6mths, the few adverse events noted were within predicted norms.

Veterinary Evidence took a look at these couple of studies prior to Librela's launch and concluded the supporting evidence was "weak", that any decision to use bedinvetmab "remains dependent on the judgement and experience of the clinician".
veterinaryevidence. org/index.php/ve/article/download/598/903?

See that? The onus is shifted to the clinician.

Do you know why? Because time and time again, once enough money is paid to the right people, dangerous drugs WILL get to market in the full knowledge that our doctors appear completely unable to notice / track side effects from the medications they are recommending.

Much like the absolute explosion in adverse events reported to VAERS following the introduction of mRNA gene therapies into the population five years ago, it's literally incredible how clinicians today will consistently ignore any and all adverse event reporting systems that we have put in place to FLAG ISSUES (since the Thalidomide scandal) until someone else tells them to stop.

Why is that?

In 2021, there was 717,577 adverse event reports submitted to VAERS for all COVID-19 vaccines combiines (nearly 300 million were administered to Americans that year), when typically VAERS receives between 30,000 and 50,000 adverse event reports annually for all other vaccines combined (150 million administered in the US in a given year).

And remember, studies show the figures that are reported to adverse event reporting systems are approximately 1-5% of the ACTUAL events that are going on.

So, for context, that 12,000 adverse events for librela in just 18mths in the US would become 240,000.

Folk say, but 25 million doses were given!! Yes, GLOBALLY. If we guess that maybe half those were sold in the US, it means potential ruin for a dog every 1 in 50 doses. Dogs are taking it monthly.

But worse, it was very predictable that this was going to happen. The drug couldn't pass human trials due to side effects.

Bedinvetmab, marketed as Librela, is a monoclonal antibody designed to alleviate osteoarthritis pain in dogs by targeting nerve growth factor (NGF).

While bedinvetmab itself was not developed for human use, its mechanism of action is similar-bordering-identical to other anti-NGF monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) that have been investigated in human clinical trials, namely tanezumab, fasinumab, and fulranumab.

Exactly like mRNA gene therapies before they were forced through in 2021, ALL trials for NGF monoclonal antibodies revealed major safety concerns that blocked their prior release, mostly concerning patients developing rapidly progressive osteoarthritis and accelerated joint degeneration. Even when adjusting the dose down and placing restrictions on concurrent NSAID use, the risks persisted. The US FDA had no other choice but to halt all trials of all anti-NGF monoclonal antibody treatments in 2012.

As folk will inevitably point out, there's no doubt Librela works for some, yes, the same way the mRNA gene therapies MAY have been useful in the initial stages for older, at-risk folk, maybe (although, side effects aside, studies show the more you took the more likely you were to get Covid...) but when you look at the data overall, its clear there is gong to be a lot of dogs very negatively impacted for life by this one.

At a minimum, please ask your vet for any other options in the osteo-arthritic pain relief department.

There are a plethora of things you can do to help osteoarthritis, the first is by reducing inflammation in the body. This means no more kibble as, studies show, it's inflammatory. Raw dog food is full of fresh calcium, glucosamine, chondroitin, hyaluronic acid, etc, all of which joints NEED. Moreover, the higher protein diets will reduce obesity, shown to greatly aggravate OA. You can jack up the omega 3, add some muscles. And this is all before you consider antiinflammatory, pain-relieving herbs like boswelia, devils claw. There is nutraceuticals. There is red light therapy. There is acupuncture. Massage. Hydro.

Has your vet done all of this with you before reaching for the NSAIDs and pain meds?

I doubt it. It's not vindictive. They know little about all those "alternative" (cheap, effective) treatments.

If you want some more options for osteoarthritis pain, askbradi .com.

If you feel you have been harmed, you can fill in the adverse event report yourself, doesn't need a vet.

UK folk here www. gov. uk/report-veterinary-medicine-problem

US folk here www. fda. gov/animal-veterinary/report-problem/how-report-animal-drug-side-effects-and-product-problems

REF
www.frontiersin. org/journals/veterinary-science/articles/10.3389/fvets.2025.1581490/full

LandSharksAnonymous · 16/07/2025 19:25

@SaintGermain, you are spamming a thread about something that is nothing to do with the question OP has asked. You clearly have some serious issues with librella, but that is a you problem - and completely unrelated to this thread. You are not helping OP in any way.

SaintGermain · 16/07/2025 19:28

Utter madness to allow your dog to continue having a medication that is so controversial.

Stickytreacle · 16/07/2025 19:38

I'd book an emergency vet appointment, I wouldn't be happy leaving a dog so immobile, it could be something like a slipped disc?
Hopefully the vet can get to the bottom of what is going on, which is half the battle as at least you know what you are dealing with. I'm keeping everything crossed for a positive outcome for her. 🌻

noctilucentcloud · 16/07/2025 19:47

I'd also be booking an urgent / out of hours vets appointment for such a sudden and severe deterioration. At my vets I can ring them for advice, I think I can through my pet insurance too. I hope your girl's OK.

Framilode · 16/07/2025 20:26

Thanks so much for your replies. The only reason we are waiting is so that we can see the vet we saw last Friday. It is a large practice and I don't want to be palmed off with yet another vet. If she worsens then we will have an emergency appointment.
I feel in my gut that it is something to do with her spine. She has a long back ( a bit like a dachshund) but is a mixed breed.
She doesn't seem to be in a lot of pain,, but it's the immobility that's the problem.
It's also not a question of money. She is insured but we will pay whatever is necessary.
Thanks again and I will let you know what happens.

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lionbrain · 16/07/2025 21:01

I dont have the vehemence for Librella that SaintGermain does however it is being handed over as the answer to all issues often incorrectly. It has never been licensed for young dogs.

OP your dog needs a detailed check and xrays etc before being given a guessed diagnosis and the incorrect medication

IVDD is a real possibility and does need to be ruled out and the longer you wait the harder the treatment to cure.

Peridot1 · 16/07/2025 21:07

I’m not saying Librela is right for every dog and very possibly isn’t for yours in 5k is case but it was fantastic for our Labrador. But in your case it does sound like more investigation is needed.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 16/07/2025 21:14

It is Wednesday. Do not wait until Friday. Personally I would have her at the emergency vets right now. If you insurance has an out of hours line, phone and ask them.

whynotmereally · 16/07/2025 21:49

My dog collapsed age 6 it was a prolapsed disc. MRI (sob) showed it. But he was a basset hound. He had to have an operation That cost 5k 15 years ago!

tabulahrasa · 17/07/2025 21:00

There’s no way I’d wait till Friday if she’s suddenly basically immobile, there are quite a few things that are treatable if caught early and not if left too long and I’d want those ruled out ASAP.

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