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Is this normal for an 11 month old?

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cockerhelp · 24/04/2025 20:44

I have a WCS. He is not my first dog but my first working cocker, but I have experience of them through family members. I did a huge amount of research before getting him, and knew exactly what I was getting myself in to getting a working breed. He suits our lifestyle very well and I’m hoping to get him involved in working in some capacity when he’s bigger.

I want to check if some behaviour he is displaying is ‘normal’ adolescent stuff or if there’s more behind it.

For background, we have trained him consistently from bringing him home at 8 weeks old. He walks to heel on and off lead, knows commands such as ‘middle’ etc, is good with a release cue. His sit isn’t as solid as I’d like it to be but we are working on it. Recall is hit and miss, which is to be expected at this age (it was perfect until 6/7 months). He gets a good off lead walk every day then a shorter sniffy lead walk in the evening. Off lead walk involves bits of training/games rather than just letting him loose. We are starting gundog training in the summer.

We have been working on a settle command for months, and a lot of the time he does settle very well in the house. The problem we are having is there’s many periods throughout the day (mostly in the evening) where he will be very mouthy and sometimes to the point where it hurts us. He will run at you biting and not let up, and will also hump me sometimes, but it hurts as he bits and claws at my leg. I know for a fact this is when he is over stimulated/aroused and needs to settle and have a nap. He will go over the edge and just lose it.

He hates his crate despite lots of crate training since we got him, so I don’t put him in there. If I change my body language and ignore him it doesn’t make a difference. Using his negative marker word does nothing. Saying no etc. also does nothing. Physically removing him from whoever he is biting makes him want to do it more. We have to shut him in a room and leave him to calm down, which sometimes works but often he will bark and bark. He doesn’t seem to care about any sort of ‘punishment.’

I, maybe wrongly, assumed this was a teenage thing and he would grow out of it but it seems to be getting worse recently. He never used to do this to my 12 year old child, only me and DH, but now he’s started doing it to them too which is less than ideal.

Is this something we should see a trainer about specifically? I have tried googling and can’t find much info about whether this is usual behaviour for a young spaniel or not. Thanks for reading.

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LandSharksAnonymous · 26/04/2025 10:55

100% agree with @BupsterYelping is a bad idea to do with Retrievers as well as Spaniels. There's a reason squeaky toys don't last long around these breeds and it's not because they're desperate to cuddle the squeaker...Best thing is to turn away and if they jump up and mouth (as Goldies, in particular, do) then leave them in a room alone until they get the jist.

It does get better, OP. If you can afford a larger toy I do recommend it but I do understand how expensive it gets, I was spending £50 a week at the height of 'twatdogs' youth. I know it's not training it out of them (and some would say it's lazy of me to use it), but sometimes you have too much going on in your life to devote hours every evening to trying to teach an overstimulated dog to settle (and honestly, if they're overstimulated all they're going to do is fail to listen and fail to learn the command).

cockerhelp · 26/04/2025 11:40

Bupster · 26/04/2025 10:37

I think the advice on yelping can be counter-productive sometimes too - if you have a dog with prey drive, it can either get them over-aroused or they think it's part of the game. It's not something DTAS (Dog Training and Advice on FB) recommend and they're usually my training bible.

Did the earlier walk make any difference? What time does he get up in the morning and go to sleep at night? My little hooligan would cheerfully get up at 5am if I let him but we've negotiated to between 6:30am and 7am, which means he tends to conk out by 7:30pm after his last poo and mooch. I'd sort of like a lie in, but if I encouraged him to stay up later I know he'd be a horror and I decided I needed the calm evenings more than the mornings.

DTAS have an article on lounge is for lounging - the idea is that the dog is only allowed in this one room where you're watching telly when they're calm and settled; play and zoomies etc. happens elsewhere. I'm not strict about it, but in the evenings he can have a chew in there with me, or he can sleep, but he's not getting played with, so he generally just conks now.

The earlier walk didn’t make a difference but it was worth a try. I will try extending it a bit and going to a more sniffy area as suggested. He had a mad half an hour at around 8pm but we shut him in the living room again and he just went straight to sleep.

He is good with his sleep overnight and doesn’t wake up until 8am sometimes - this morning is was 8.40!! He generally will snooze from 8/9ish in the evening until we go up to bed then he settles back down to sleep straight away.

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cockerhelp · 26/04/2025 11:42

LandSharksAnonymous · 26/04/2025 10:55

100% agree with @BupsterYelping is a bad idea to do with Retrievers as well as Spaniels. There's a reason squeaky toys don't last long around these breeds and it's not because they're desperate to cuddle the squeaker...Best thing is to turn away and if they jump up and mouth (as Goldies, in particular, do) then leave them in a room alone until they get the jist.

It does get better, OP. If you can afford a larger toy I do recommend it but I do understand how expensive it gets, I was spending £50 a week at the height of 'twatdogs' youth. I know it's not training it out of them (and some would say it's lazy of me to use it), but sometimes you have too much going on in your life to devote hours every evening to trying to teach an overstimulated dog to settle (and honestly, if they're overstimulated all they're going to do is fail to listen and fail to learn the command).

Thank you, I do think it’s just a case of riding it out until he’s mature enough to stop doing it. This thread has made me feel so much better as I thought he was doing something he absolutely shouldn’t be at this age.

That is interesting about the squeaker thing, I’d never considered that !!

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Bupster · 26/04/2025 13:03

My last bit of maybe-useful advice - when Bill does go mad, I tend to just join in with him, and play. Might that work for your boy, or is he way too mouthy?

We've settled on a game I call 'AHROWR,' which is sort of zoomies mixed with a very gentle sort of rough and tumble. He bounces off the wall of the study, tries to dig a hole in his bed shouting AHROWR, I lie down next to him, he'll burrow into my armpit, at some point he does a rolypoly that ends up with him landing on my head, I will definitely also get a back foot up my nose, and probably a head-butt, and I spend far too much time at the farty end of the dog, but it ends with him lying on his back making a gentle AHROWR noise while I dangle a toy over him as you would for a kitten or a baby as he bats it with his paws. I absolutely love it, once I've got his paw out of my nostril, and it seems to be very calming and bonding for him as well.

cockerhelp · 26/04/2025 16:21

Bupster · 26/04/2025 13:03

My last bit of maybe-useful advice - when Bill does go mad, I tend to just join in with him, and play. Might that work for your boy, or is he way too mouthy?

We've settled on a game I call 'AHROWR,' which is sort of zoomies mixed with a very gentle sort of rough and tumble. He bounces off the wall of the study, tries to dig a hole in his bed shouting AHROWR, I lie down next to him, he'll burrow into my armpit, at some point he does a rolypoly that ends up with him landing on my head, I will definitely also get a back foot up my nose, and probably a head-butt, and I spend far too much time at the farty end of the dog, but it ends with him lying on his back making a gentle AHROWR noise while I dangle a toy over him as you would for a kitten or a baby as he bats it with his paws. I absolutely love it, once I've got his paw out of my nostril, and it seems to be very calming and bonding for him as well.

No I have tried that in the past and it’s a definite no-go. It sends him even more vicious! I love the sound of your game and your pup sounds hilarious !! Thank you for your advice.

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Worriedmamma19 · 26/04/2025 17:32

My husband went through a phase of having to wear Kevlar trousers round our springer cocker cross as he bit him the most and would hang off his trousers when in a manic state and actually snapped one of his puppy teeth off on them, he grew out of it.

Newpeep · 26/04/2025 17:51

It is really quite normal and should reduce and stop as he gets older.

My working terrier was horrible until she was about 9 months, then got better then got worse again. She began to level out at around 18 months old. She will still occasionally do it when over tired but we send her to get a toy and she will run around and rag that instead. Working line dogs tend to veer towards over arousal and it takes time and self control training for them to re direct onto something more appropriate. She will sometimes still do it at the end of an agility session because she is tired and wound up but that's when the soft toy comes out which I just hold and she will bite and chew and then calm down.

It is just management.

Newpeep · 26/04/2025 17:52

Oh try yelping with a terrier LOL.

Coffeeishot · 26/04/2025 21:32

We have had a wired evening with our wcs, he has been a total pain in the rear since about 7.30 we have been out and about today so he is tired and probably a bit over stimulated but my god we are exhausted we put him to bed just before 9 it's like having a hairy toddler 😂

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