How to stop indoor peeing? Help!!

[MilkItTilITurnItIntoCheese]

I have 2 x 2 year old female frenchies who are NOT good at going outside to pee. They are fine if the weather is ok but if it’s raining, windy or too cold they will walk past an open door to do it inside.
We’ve tried everything we can think of. Can anyone help?
As yet they are un-spayed as they keep having phantom pregnancies however one will be done next week and one hopefully in 3 months. Will that make a difference??

What training have you done with them so far? It would be easier to advise if you outlined what you've been doing to date. Spaying won't make a difference to the fact they pee indoors.

Are they peeing indoors in a particular place?

We’ve had them since they were pups so we started with puppy pads and moving them outside gradually and rewards. They seems to get this but it was summer and then once the weather turned they just didn’t want to go/stay outside long enough. We are here most of the time and they DO ask to go out sometimes and we are very aware so let them out too and obviously walks daily (although they rarely do their business on a walk for some reason)
I’ve tried leaving them out for longer periods and going outside with them and rewarding whilst outside so they know what the reward is for.

I think they are more than capable they just don’t want to go out in the cold/rain!!

they are not too worried about where they are going in the house and occasionally will even pee on a bed. We have a carpet cleaner which is used regularly with supposedly pee-smell removing cleaners. Each pee is cleaned up and the area treated asap. They are put outside straight away if we catch them.
like I mentioned they have been known to walk past an open door and just go inside on occasion which is hugely frustrating. I don’t want my house smelling of pee and we are getting new carpet soon so I need to sort this out!
any ideas welcomed.

Is this a particularly stubborn breed?
I'd get them cosy coats and take them for more walks and go outside with them until they pee - then lots and lots of enthusiastic praise
Warm dry coat for you too! My last dog would not pee in the garden and would just look forlornly at the door so we had to walk her several times a day for toileting as well as exercise

Treat them like you would a puppy.
using the pads, you taught them to go inside. Then told them to go outside. This is confusing. They think both are ok.
stay out with them until they go, as you would a puppy.
if you tell them off for peeing in the house, they will think they are being told off for peeing, so won’t want to go in the garden while you’re watching and will try to go in the house when you’re not looking.

Despite the cleaners, your house will smell (to a dog) of pee, so it’s hard to break the habit now.

Be consistent……

Both my dogs would rather not go out in the garden if it’s raining - they don’t pee inside they just don’t toilet for what to me seems like a ridiculously unhealthy amount of time

So I just take them outside and shut the door and we don’t come back in until they’ve been to the toilet - they soon worked out they were out for less time if they just went straight away.

Agree with this. It is a bit more work, but as puppies taking them outside on the hour every hour is key. I think if you start doing this now they will get the hang of it! Good luck!

You might like to try moving their food to the area that they have peed in, as they don't like to combine "activities".

I had great success with our whippet who used to pee on the landing, but stopped as soon as we fed him there.

Good luck!

Agree with all the previous posters.

Start from the beginning and treat them as if they are brand new puppies you are training. Put a warm coat on them and take them out every hour. Keep the door closed so they can't run inside and stay out with them until they go. Immediately make a HUGE fuss of them when they go and immediately give them a very high value award such as a piece of cheese or chicken etc- something special that they don't normally have. It's important that you're by their side to praise and reward as soon as they pee so they understand they are being praised and rewarded for peeing outside and not for another reason - such as running over to you for example.

Try something like Simple Solution or Urine Off to thoroughly clean indoors to remove the smell and discourage them from peeing indoors.

Don't react in any way if you see them go inside, they won't understand you're upset at the location they're choosing, they'll think you're upset at them peeing and will be reluctant to pee in front of you.

Even when you think they've grasped the idea continue to bring them out very regularly, wearing their coats in cold and wet weather. I always put a little jacket on mine on cold, wet days when she needs to go out in the garden, otherwise she wouldn't be very keen to go outside. I don't always wait until she asks either, if I realise it's been a good while since she's been out then I let her outside and stay out with her if needs be.

Keep your door closed- don't assume because the door is open they'll take themselves out to relieve themselves, they have to learn to hold on until they're let/taken outside. Good luck!

Thanks everyone will take all these tips on board! Let’s hope they get the hang of it quickly!

Sympathies @MilkItTilITurnItIntoCheese we’ve got a 14 week old puppy who is half frenchie, she seemed to have really cracked the training but as soon as the ground is wet will not pee outside! I took her out every 15 minutes for 2 hours this afternoon and she still peed on the doormat! She also had a 30 minute walk at lunchtime and peed as soon as we came inside…just got to keep trying I guess

Frenchies are certainly a breed of their own! Love them though!

It’s a ball ache but take them outside every hour (carry them if you have to) for “wee wees”. Keep saying only that (yes, if you have neighbours you sound demented) until they go. Once they’ve gone, you go straight back inside. No treat or they then associate going inside with a treat and will just wait by the door. They will soon learn what you want and will “wee wees” as soon as possible to get back inside. I say that as a woman with a pack of small, stubborn dogs, that are totally clean in the house.

🤭🤭 we used to”be quick” because I couldn’t bring myself to chant “wee wee” or “poo poo” 😆😆

Interesting, we’ve been doing excessive praise outside, treat inside. Sounds like we need to make sure treat is outside…

I give no treats around toilet time. I learned this because, even though all mine are now clean in the house, I used to give them a treat at night, after they’d had their last wee and come inside. They KNEW I’d give them a treat so when I put them outside for that last wee, they didn’t go, they just stood by the door. They then came in, had the treat and messed in the night. Not ideal and entirely my fault because they didn’t make the connection.
So now we do treats at 8pm (and by god, all my dogs have a watch!) but they know after that, nothing is coming. So when I let them out at 11pm, they do “ wee wees” or whatever, then it’s bed for them and they are all clean.
I would add though that all dogs are different. I have some that will happily plait their legs for 14 hrs to avoid peeing in the rain. I have others that I know have to do “wee wees” on the blade of grass closest to the house on a night, to prevent accidents.

The most annoying thing is that they will happily wake me if they need to go out in the night!! Is it worse with females? Because my male frenchie is fine. As was my male lab.