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Working v show cockers

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IndiraCharcoal · 26/01/2025 19:19

I grew up with show cockers and have always loved them. We're thinking of getting a new pup and DH is keen on a working cocker. I love the look of them but am a bit nervous about the amount of exercise and stilmulation they need compared to a show cocker. Can anyone give a view?

We can walk 2 hours a day and are both at home all the time.

Thanks!

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LandSharksAnonymous · 26/01/2025 19:30

It's not about the exercise. It's about the sheer mental stimulation. They aren't just on the go all day every day but they're intelligent and wired which is not a good combination unless you know what you're doing. You could run them for 4+hrs a day (as someone recently was) and they would still be destructive and unhappy.

They need to be doing gun-dog training or scent work, regularly - not just once in a blue moon. They need robust, firm (but not hard) and continuous training from day one- because they have excess energy and intelligence.

Have a read of recent mumsnet posts about people struggling with their dogs - there have been two recently who have been considering re-homing. Both were cockers. Most of the people who seem to be struggling with aggressive or badly behaved dogs, who post on mumsnet, have cocker spaniels (and most are working lines). The sad fact is that 99.9% of the general public are not the right owners for a working line spaniel.

I'm not a spaniel expert (as my name suggests!!!) but I do have a lot of experience with dogs an honestly...I wouldn't touch a working line cocker spaniel if I was paid as I just know that I couldn't give it what it needs - and I give me dogs a lot.

EdithStourton · 26/01/2025 20:10

@LandSharksAnonymous is spot on about mental stimulation. There is a constant parade of OPs across this board who have working cockers that are resource guarding, destructive, neurotic, and all round hell on earth. The dogs are clearly unhappy and the owners are tearing their hair out.

Working line gundogs are a different ball game from show line. They are clever, driven, and desperate to do stuff. They want to hunt (and chase, given half a chance). They want to interact with you, not just frolic about on the playing fields while you stroll round the edge.

I have two working line gundogs (not spaniels). They are happy, well-mannered, good recall, chill at home, and are a joy to own - but it took a lot of hard graft to get them there, and it takes ongoing input to maintain it. The older one turns into an absolute pain in the arse if she goes more than about three weeks without a chance to do shit with her genetic drives. I've worked incredibly hard with the younger one to rein in her desire to chase anything that moves into the next county.

If you want a working cocker, talk to a gundog trainer or a gamekeeper or similar first. Ask what these dogs really need. If you decide that you want one and have zero intention of working it, go for a litter where none of the immediate forebears have field trialling awards (shown as FTW and FTCh on the pedigree) because trialling lines are frankly on acid (I have one out of a FTCh dam, so I know!) Also go for the least drivey/hunty/ambitious of the litter.

Sorry this was such a long post, but this is something I feel strongly about. We almost cocked up our first gundog because we didn't understand what we were getting into. We got the second with our eyes wide open. I was out working her on a shoot yesterday - not something I ever thought I'd do.

brushingboots · 26/01/2025 20:45

I don’t wish to disagree with the above, however, I must defend the wonderful 19-month-old working cocker lying on my knee, as she is truly the light of my life.

I grew up with spaniels but she’s my first dog as an adult, and I went in eyes open. Apart from the puppy blues that I’d have had with any breed, she has been a pretty easy dog – because I have put the effort in. We do a lot of breed-specific work to meet her needs, a huge amount of hedge diving, flushing, gundog work, sitting doing nothing, steadiness training etc… it goes on and on. And it does need working at. I give her as close to a working lifestyle as she can get in a pet home, and she might work a bit when I’m ready later this year/next year. She’s not perfect but she’s a work in progress and I’m mostly incredibly proud of her.

I work from home and she gets between 85-150 mins of exercise a day depending on what we’re up to. (I posted a run-through of her life on another cocker thread recently.) But that’s mainly because going out twice a day suits me and she adapts to what I’m doing – I need the walks too so we go out into the fields and see no one because it helps me not to burn out at work. Conversely, I know loads of working cockers who get half as much exercise and some that go a day or so without a walk and they’re all well adjusted – because their owners do breed-specific work with them, and in many cases work them. It is often said that the fitter they are the more they need. I think I could go out with mine less but I’m happy with what she does and I can maintain it.

They are truly wonderful dogs. Mine lives to please me and you can’t match that. She’s very clever and she has an attitude – she will huff if she’s not happy with what I've asked of her but ultimately she does it because I’m her world. She is always on the go when we're out and about, but in the house she sleeps most of the day and when she’s not asleep she’s chilling, or ‘helping’ me. People say they never stop but that’s usually because they haven’t trained them to chill out. She is very low maintenance grooming wise, doesn’t chew, barks only a tiny bit, was easily house-trained, can be left for four hours though it rarely happens.

I’d never have another breed. I don’t know anything about show cockers and I’ve never met one round here so can't compare. There are plenty of problem working cockers, without doubt, but a lot of the problems that people encounter are down to lack of effort/training rather than the dog’s inherent issue, so I wanted to give a positive view from the perspective of someone who has put a lot of work in.

8Ash · 26/01/2025 21:28

Working Cockers truly need to work, so many people underestimate just how much. They need their energy and intelligence challenged into a breed appropriate outlet - mine does scentwork, water treadmill, hydrotherapy and Barn Hunt and works to the gun in season. Out of season we continue with training dummies. Walking them really is not enough. You also need to train an “off switch” as they don’t come with one naturally.

If you put in the effort, the rewards are tenfold. I’ve never had such a trainable, well natured dog. He has a cracking temperament and is an absolute JOY of a dog. But they’re very much a way of life, rather than a pet.

Edited to add - I would have another WCS in a heartbeat but couldn’t be paid to have a show line!

rainythursdayontheavenue · 26/01/2025 21:35

My working cocker is nearly 12 and hasn't quite realised that he can't do what he thinks he still can..... he was an absolute little shit until he was around 3. He's so prey driven even though he's come from pet parents rather than working gundogs. He loses his mind completely in pheasant season.... and yet he's been the best dog I've ever had. So much so that our second was a sprocker - who couldn't be more biddable but so nervy it's untrue. A very different dog completely.

They're amazing dogs that you need a firm hand with, endless patience in the early years and you love walking. I had to be careful with mine as i was walking him too much so now he gets 40 minutes in the morning and 20 minutes late afternoon - more exercise made him more hyper!

solvendie · 26/01/2025 21:37

We have a WCS - she’s 2 years. We have a GR - 4yrs. He was a bugger as a puppy. The WCS has been much easier. The GR needs 3 walks per day and then chills in the house. WCS only wants 1 or 2. I do think part of it is that she has her older brother and she relaxes with him in the house

OrlandointheWilderness · 26/01/2025 21:42

First couple of posts nail it tbh! I wouldn't have a show line, but that's because we have Gundogs. They don't need hours and hours of exercise but they do need regular training and things to keep their brain occupied. Saying that, lots of people have pet Gundog's and go to regular classes who don't shoot, and it's brilliant fun. There is a good fb group called the ladies working dog group which is a fan resource.
Given training and stimulation they are wonderful - ours will go without a walk if needed (very rare that happens!) and haven't actually been training or worked for two weeks as we've moved and I have a snoring spaniel next to me as we speak. They may need be taught to settle but generally switch off fine if they get what they need.

Oh I have a working bred sprocker - warning that he is the most intelligent dog I've ever had and I've debated giving him the times crossword to keep him occupied!! Absolutely cracking dog though.

OrlandointheWilderness · 26/01/2025 21:42

Fab resource even!

TeenLifeMum · 26/01/2025 21:45

I’ve no other breed to compare with but we have a working cocker who needed consistent training for the first year (what breed doesn’t?) but he’s so so fab. He chills at home but busy when out.

He’s not a fan of town environments but we probably avoided them as we got him in 2020. I was expecting lots of extra entertainment but ours doesn’t need it. He does need time off lead on walks. He joins us kayaking and is a bit of a nightmare, jumping in for a swim then coming back in the kayak, but he’s like part of the family. We’ve just got a sprocker puppy (3/4 wcs and 1/4 springer) and she’s not eating everything like our boy did and seems to have a better nose on her. She seems very clever so far. She’s so loving at just 12 weeks. I wouldn’t have any other breed.

EdithStourton · 26/01/2025 22:04

OrlandointheWilderness · 26/01/2025 21:42

Fab resource even!

I'd agree - the Ladies Working Dog Group is friendly and helpful, and the mods make sure that the FB groups stay civilised and encouraging.

WednesdaysChild25 · 26/01/2025 22:16

I think I need to put my glasses on. I read that as vs slow cookers at first 😂.

CharlotteStreetW1 · 26/01/2025 22:23

I love a working cocker and they are so pretty but they're not really suitable as a pet as they're so hyper because they do need to work.

See also border collies.

Rainbowstripes · 26/01/2025 23:31

Working cockers are fantastic WORKING dogs - I've worked with dogs for over 8 years and have met numerous pet owners with working cockers, all of whom have massively underestimated what they need. A 2 hour walk is great but nothing compares to the 10 hour days these dogs are designed to work and use their brains. The pet training world sees so many issues with working cockers in pet homes because although they are fantastic, loving dogs they need more than most pet homes can give them. You will get a few people come along on here and tell you how easy their cocker is but I promise that's not true for the majority. Don't get me wrong, many of the customers I've seen now have great lives with their cockers but have found them a job, either gundog or agility and are training regularly. If you decide to get a working cocker please make sure you are fully prepared time wise and financially to give it a job, not just 'go on long walks' because a show cocker is also an active dog and will enjoy those long walks just as much

biscuitsandbooks · 27/01/2025 08:17

I adore cocker spaniels but I could never, never bring myself to own one. They're high energy, intelligent and need some kind of job or they will go crazy.

They're one of my "admire from afar" breeds - see also huskies and border collies Grin

TeenLifeMum · 27/01/2025 10:44

Reading these comments, I think my working cocker and sprocker are broken. Super chilled. Maybe our busy household and lifestyle just suits spaniels. So many spaniel owners round here (west country) and it’s only ever non owners who say they’re nightmares. Us owners usually end up with more than one 😂

CellophaneFlower · 27/01/2025 12:28

They're one of my "admire from afar" breeds - see also huskies and border collies

I have a far too long list of these breeds... I sometimes revisit them in case I've judged them too harshly but I never have 😂

Give me a breed that's slightly thick and pretty lazy any day much like me 😳

Unluckycat1 · 27/01/2025 12:29

I'm admire-from-afar too. Gorgeous, friendly dogs, I love how ridiculously waggy they are, but the work you have to put in to have a content one sounds too much for me with all the other responsibilities in my life. My girl is a mix of working types and intelligent, but she's so easy to wear out compared to what I'm reading here.

KeenOtter · 27/01/2025 12:56

I have collies, labs and wcs.

My wcs are detection dogs and work hard and long hours.

They are way more energetic than the collies and after a 12 hour shift will quite happily go out for more exercise if they had the choice. A 2 hour walk and no stimulation eg gundog work would be pretty tame for them and they will find their own entertainment.

I see a lot of very unhappy wcs in pet homes - becoming more of an issue than collies in pet homes in my opinion. You need to work on the wcs strengths sniffing, flushing gundog work is a must to keep them happy and mentally chilled and having a fulfilled life.

They need to work to be happy. A 2 hour walk and then being expected to be chilled in the house is not the life they would choose - some may do it but why have a working breed if that is the life you want to give it. Get the dog to meet your life style. Not get a dog that has to adapt to your lifestyle.

Get a lab they will be happy with a two hour walk and then a mooch on the sofa when you get back.

LandSharksAnonymous · 27/01/2025 13:23

KeenOtter · 27/01/2025 12:56

I have collies, labs and wcs.

My wcs are detection dogs and work hard and long hours.

They are way more energetic than the collies and after a 12 hour shift will quite happily go out for more exercise if they had the choice. A 2 hour walk and no stimulation eg gundog work would be pretty tame for them and they will find their own entertainment.

I see a lot of very unhappy wcs in pet homes - becoming more of an issue than collies in pet homes in my opinion. You need to work on the wcs strengths sniffing, flushing gundog work is a must to keep them happy and mentally chilled and having a fulfilled life.

They need to work to be happy. A 2 hour walk and then being expected to be chilled in the house is not the life they would choose - some may do it but why have a working breed if that is the life you want to give it. Get the dog to meet your life style. Not get a dog that has to adapt to your lifestyle.

Get a lab they will be happy with a two hour walk and then a mooch on the sofa when you get back.

Excellent post!

abracadabra1980 · 27/01/2025 22:04

@EdithStourton

"trialling lines are frankly on acid"
I have just laughed so much at that comment - I knew what I was getting into with regards to the working strains being much higher energy than the show, but I didn't quite realise that the FT CH procreates the 'acid'! Just looked at looked at my 9 month old Labrador's 5 Gen pedigree and we have 23 FT CH, including her dad. This explains an AWFUL lot 🤣 but I bloody love her and have discovered a new hobby mantrailing. I'm in awe of her ability to find things/people/my gloves .. and I laugh every day at her antics.
Not sure whether the working cockers are worse... she does settle in the house but I've taught her to. Thanks for the info-interesting.

EdithStourton · 28/01/2025 09:31

@abracadabra1980 glad you got a laugh.

But at least you have a Lab. The old saying is that 'Labradors are born half-trained and spaniels die half-trained'. I have HPRs. Yes, well, nuff said. They are convinced that they are cleverer than you are.

tizwozliz · 28/01/2025 09:59

@EdithStourton A gundog trainer once commented my lab was more like a spaniel - it was not a compliment 😂

@abracadabra1980 - one of our working labs adores mantrailing, it's definitely her favourite activity.

Newpeep · 28/01/2025 11:18

I have trained many WCS as an agility trainer and know many more. When I was looking for a small active dog I bought…a working line border terrier 😉

Happy with any amount of exercise but a great off switch. Easy to train but loves to cuddle and sleep if you’re not up to it. She’s a lovely dog to live with.

WCS need to work. In something. They need a purpose. I know many in homes that they don’t get that and they’re not nice to live with.

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