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Cocker Spaniel - advice needed

55 replies

Elli123 · 22/01/2025 06:36

I feel that my life has been taken over by my spaniel. I loved her dearly but is just a bit too much😂
she has no off switch. Despite an hours walk in the morning, a further 2 hour walk with the dog walker (all off lead) over lunch and several hours spent throwing balls in the garden she still wants more. The time commitment is unsustainable whilst working, looking after kids etc etc. she also follows me everywhere so find trying to do certain things really challenging.

what does everyone’s dog (if similar working breed) do during the day when they’re not sleeping or walking/ playing? Mine quite literally never just does nothing. I’ve tried ignoring her periodically( just continues to pester, looks what she can pinch to get a reaction), I’ve also tried every possible piece of enrichment ( lockers, puzzle toys etc) but all take, like 5 minutes then she’s looking for something else to do! I then end up feeling sorry for her looking bored and take her out again.

i would also be interested how long others walk their dogs? At the weekend she’s about 4 hours (over 2 walks) plus garden time with the ball.

shes amazing but just way too full on and i am well aware that she’s very spoilt! Shes my first dog (got her as a puppy), and yes I now appreciate working breeds can be full on but I am also aware that plenty of busy families have spaniels and can’t possibly commit the same time as I am doing.

she did go to puppy class and has basic obedience.

please help me regain my sanity 😱 (rehoming is not an option here).

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Joystir59 · 22/01/2025 09:38

My dog never gets balls as they are way too exciting and make her neurotic.

ApriCat · 22/01/2025 09:43

Ball warning taken on board, so we'll see how it goes.

I missed out 'sniffing the cat's bum' from the dog's daily activities. That's apparently very satisfying, though I could swear the cat rolls its eyes in a resigned fashion.

Elli123 · 22/01/2025 09:54

Newpeep · 22/01/2025 08:31

She's having too much leg work. She needs brain work. Something that does both is ideal (agility, rally etc). Or some kind of nose work.

The more you walk them the more they need. My working terrier is the same age and she has 45 mins to an hour walk and then lazes around most of the day with a few sessions of play. She does agility once a week and rally once a week plus 5 mins here and there daily of other training, body conditioning etc.

Spaniels ARE busy dogs and need a lot of input. They are needy because they have been bred to hang on our every word unlike terriers. So it is something you will need to live with to a point.

Thank you, yeah, perhaps more short bursts of training would help. If I’m honest, I haven’t done much training with her since puppy class.

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Elli123 · 22/01/2025 09:55

Ha ha, yes mine is OBSESSED with balls and neurotic😱

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Elli123 · 22/01/2025 09:59

Yeah, I know im way too soft as obviously, want her to be happy. She’s not crates during the day so is at liberty to do as she pleases. Think I need to do some work on settling and regain more balance of fun & downtime. Thank you

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Nannyfannybanny · 22/01/2025 10:06

Wow,a lot of really good information and help on here. All on the same page as it were, never thought I would see that on MN. Normally,it's a massive competition to boast how many hours doggo gets walked in a day..I have 2 border collies, one of 9, and one of 16 months. We've had lots of borders,a few other breeds. They would go 24/7 if you let them. We are relaxed, retired now, I had them with 4 kids working ft. They have always fitted in with us and our lives, not other way round. All got as puppies, don't get me wrong, they are family members, allowed on the bed, but if told to get off, they do! I found the secret for us,was to always have 2 dogs,used to be 3.
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Elli123 · 22/01/2025 10:16

suggestionsplease1 · 22/01/2025 08:48

Honestly I think I would have more crate time for her during the day. As long as she is happy there she probably just needs to learn to switch off and relax a bit more. Give her a kong with a bit of frozen pate in it to help her settle and then go to sleep. As she gets older she will learn to settle herself more and go to her own bed but at the moment she needs direction from you on this.

By the time she is 5 she might be a bit calmer!

With my cocker spaniel, especially when he was young, I would take 2 balls out with me and stand at the edge of a wood overlooking a more open space. I would throw the first ball into the open space so that he could run for it and when his back was turned and he couldn't see me I would thrown the 2nd ball deep into the dense forest area. When he returned with the first he was sent to find the 2nd using scent work. That way he got a good mix of physical and mental stimulation. Half an hour of that was very effective.

Yeah, we go out with three balls! We can be out for two hours of walk/ ball play and she will go straight to the back door to get out in the garden for more.

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Betteroutdoors · 22/01/2025 10:20

We've got a gun dog lab crossed with NZ huntaway here...basically a mongrel who looks like an undercover lab and behaves like a working dog. My old boy is some sort of shepherd / husky mix. I think what has "almost" saved my sanity with both of them is the "lounge is for lounging" approach a previous poster mentioned.

I really get on well with the "behavioural down" method but with our undercover lab who is about the same age as your spaniel I've realised that I really am going to have to teach it in lots of different settings, the old boy just adapted his behaviour really easily in the way she doesn't because she is stimulated easier.

PS if you are like me the hardest bit about the teaching them to settle is the ignoring bit, I talk to my two quite a lot and I've realised that really doesn't help when they are actually trying to settle themselves

Lanawashington · 22/01/2025 11:26

I've got a lab x springer so not quite as crazy as a cocker but still crazy enough for meGrin he's 7 now and I agree with others that I've learnt the trick is not to over exercise him. He has a 30 minute walk in the morning and another 45 minutes in the evening, usually longer on weekends. I also rarely ever take a ball out as he becomes obsessed with it and then won't focus on anything else. I do sometimes take a toy and play 'find it' games with him, as well as chucking down treats in front of us for him to sniff out whilst we're walking. I also practice recall and tricks every time we're out, to give him something to focus on and think about. If I just played fetch the whole time he becomes overstimulated and then can't switch off when we get home. We also don't have any balls at home as he would want to play with them all the time. I give him kongs, licki mats and snuffle mats if he looks like he wants something to do, but apart from that he sleeps most of the day or just wanders around playing with his toys

It is hard finding the right balance, but she is still young so hopefully you get some rest soon!

Tissuesandfluff · 22/01/2025 11:40

Cocker spaniels are fab I adore mine, but you really really need to help them settle and tell them what you want or they walk all over you, I think you will see a difference if you crate her maybe in the afternoon just so she can rest even if she isn't sleeping she's fine you don't need to feel sorry for her and she doesn't need constantly amused, it's not fair on her if she's constantly wired.

I follow the Cockeracademy on Facebook they run free online workshops Have a look.

LandSharksAnonymous · 22/01/2025 12:17

Elli123 · 22/01/2025 09:54

Thank you, yeah, perhaps more short bursts of training would help. If I’m honest, I haven’t done much training with her since puppy class.

I’d definitely recommend training then. Remember, spaniels are really intelligent and they need an outlet for something - my mum has chickens and her rescue spaniel does ‘round-up’ every night with the chickens as well as scent work and gun-dog work.

When my mum got her, she was described as manic, aggressive and ‘unsuitable’ for most homes.’ She’s older now, but even within a few months of having structured ‘outlets’ showed a remarkable improvement. Obviously that was her, and not every dog, but it’s not an unusual story for her breed.

It’s very easy to think high-energy dogs need lots of exercise, and they do, but they need more. It’s a like having a toddler - you can race them around the garden all you like, but actually learning is a key part of tiring them out. Physic exercise only goes so far - particularly with intelligent breeds (retrievers, spaniels, collies, shepherds).

So try that, and try teaching her to settle. My youngest boy can walk all day and then come home and play - but if I sense any mania, then toys go away and he goes to bed. It takes perseverance - Gods he fought me tooth and nail and that was even with three adult dogs who knew what to do- but they can all get there - some just might take longer than others.

Daisyvodka · 22/01/2025 12:47

Totally agree with what's been said and I knew before you said it in your post that the problem would be hours of exercise and stimulation a day!
Agree with what another poster said - you cannot tired them out!
Ours is a proper working breed, and the breeder and our trainer both said dont fall into the trap of giving them hours of exercise to wear them out as all that will happen is you end up with an incredibly strong dog who wants hours of exercise because you CANNOT wear out a cocker spaniel. Ive found this to be very true, in that if you went for a long walk they'd be tired and sleep, but if you offer for them to go again they leap at the chance!
Suggestions:

  1. Getting rid of balls completely - i know it sounds mad, but when my dog is out, if we have a ball out, she is only focused on the ball and doesn't really do any sniffing at all - she's getting zero mental stimulation and they are bred to sniff. I'd really strongly suggest going cold turkey on balls altogether - i know it sounds mad, but your puppy needs to re-learn sniffing! She might be very put out to start with, but she needs to learn how to occupy herself when out and sniffing gives them so much stimulation - if you do try this, maybe stick to woodland and 'interesting' places for the first few weeks. I say all this because my dog is exactly like yours and our trainer warned us she would take hours to come back down from the adrenaline a ball gives so she would be wired, and it's true. When we occasionally play with balls (once every few weeks) it obliterates everything else for the rest of the day, she's a different dog - and not in a positive way.
  2. I'd also stop giving her so much mental stimulation in the day too, tbh - cockers love us and interacting with us (and spaniels in general have the most devastating puppy dog eyes on the planet, as you have discovered) so maybe a way of doing this is to mix up the routine - morning walks don't work for my spaniel (I've had a few people who don't believe me, but its true) because then she's hyped up and 'awake' for the day then - I let her out as usual, but no walks! Means the first half of the day is kept quite calm until a lunchtime walk! And honestly, stop playing with her so much. Maybe give her an antler/yakkers for half an hour a day to get her used to entertaining herself too - they don't want to play with you if there's a good hard chew on hand i find!
  3. Teaching to settle - i never managed to get her to do this on command (but she does self settle very well now) and there's been lots of great advice upthread on this but honestly, you have to accept that in order for it to work you need to get used to ignoring her - to the point of going in another room if she's really pushing it.
Good luck - they really are the best dogs but they are toddlers and need you to lead by example and help them realise they aren't the centre of the universe - and sometimes the best way to handle that is do nothing!
brushingboots · 22/01/2025 12:53

@Elli123 I have a 19-month-old working cocker and WFH with her and her day looks like this – (apols for length but hope it’s helpful)

8-9am ish, get up, maybe come back to bed with me depending on how quickly we need to be out/if I need to do some work first.

9-11 ish – walk: always offlead, mostly training walk or a kind of purposeful walk: finding pheasants/partridges and flushing and stopping on them. I always take her to gamey areas to practice and we do a lot of gundog skills – some retrieves, but mostly sitting around doing nothing in the middle of a field, marking birds, and hunting for balls/rabbit balls/cold game/partridge wings etc. Sometimes on the morning walk we’ll meet up with dog friends and have a more feral run around and she’ll play with a ball a bit but on the whole I don’t use balls for throwing, only for finding. As others above have said about their dogs she can get a bit overhyped on too much ball throwing and it is clear that it does absolutely nothing for her mental health. I only ever take a ball out with me for useful purposes – for finding or chucking a reward retrieve out. The morning walk isn’t always two hours but I always allow up to two hours in case we bump into someone chatty/drive somewhere. This morning it was 65 mins, yesterday 85 mins. Always at least an hour as it helps me to start my day properly.

10.30/11ish – back home, she eats, I eat, I start work properly, she sleeps/chills. If I have a call I tend to go upstairs to let her sleep in peace, sometimes I’ll do the food shop in the morning for the same reason. She isn’t crated and never has been so has the run of the house when I’m in and the kitchen/snug if I’m not.

Roughly lunchtime ish, maybe 1-2 ish – she gets up for a wee and wants to ‘go and do something’ so we go into the garden and do some skills. Maybe some whistle work, or sitting doing nothing in the middle of the garden, some finding, more hunting, a few very short retrieves, or if we’re lucky a pheasant will pop in and she can practice sitting quietly while it walks around. Or we just chill out and walk around the garden checking the borders/fences/I might go and do the bins and she helps me etc.

After lunch (small piece of cheese/leftover tuna etc for her) she goes back to sleep. She might potter about a bit with her toys or chewing one of the many, many bones she’s abandoned. She’ll come and tap me on the leg from time to time at the table and ask for a fuss which she either gets or I’ll tell her to go back to bed. Perhaps a wee break or two but just wee and back inside.

Then about 5.30/6, depending on my schedule and her sleep schedule as sometimes she’s still sparko at 6.30, we go out for a second walk. If it’s an onlead walk it’s usually 40/50 minutes, practicing loose lead walking and heel work, but it is mainly a sniff opportunity. I let her stop at every single sniff. We avoid other dogs if possible and do a lot of pavement manners and road manners. If offlead usually about 45-60 mins doing something similar to the morning – a purposeful run around and sniff, but more relaxed, not least as it’s dark this time of year. In the summer her evening walks are much more fun and we will often go swimming.

Get back, she eats, I eat, and then we do our evening routine – I get changed, tidy up a bit and she helps, she has a wee/sniff outside, and then she’s keen to get into my jumper/on the sofa with me and my laptop to watch tv/stare at Mumsnet/do emails/do more work/talk on the phone etc until about 11/11.30pm when she has her last wee and goes to bed in the kitchen/snug and I go upstairs.

Weekends are more active with longer walks and trips out and seeing people etc but when we’re at home and it’s just us, which it is during the week as dog-dad works in London, we have a solid routine which largely comprises her being calm and asleep or just chilling. She’s a joy to be with.

We had a period where she was constantly dropping a ball in front of me in the house and I just went cold turkey and hid ALL of them. She’s now allowed to have a few in the house that she will carry around and bring to me sometimes, but she knows that balls are for finding not chasing, as the thing we are always working on is her specifically not chasing moving objects/creatures of any kind. For that reason I actively avoid people on walks with ball chuckers and will take literally any alternative route to get away from them.

The first thing I taught her when she was a puppy was to ‘go and lie down’ and it has been a blessing. People always say ‘oh she must be so mad at home!!!’ and no, she’s not, because she was taught at 12 weeks old that bed was a good place to be when I was busy. If she’s being annoying I just ignore her (provided she’s got everything she actually needs) because it’s not her time – it’s my time to work so that I can pay for her and her lifestyle!

She is the biggest part of my life without doubt but I knew that she would be when I got her. She does follow me around the house a lot though not all the time anymore, but I don’t mind as she’s my best girl. We haven’t got kids (yet) so she’s not in competition with anyone and it’s just me and her five days a week. She’s never had a dog walker though occasionally goes to daycare – there’s no way she’d need a two hour dog-walker walk on top of what she does. She’d just be even fitter and she’s plenty fit enough. If she finds forbidden items for attention she gets totally ignored (unless it’s dangerous, though it never is) and then puts them down, deflatedly. Your lovely girl sounds overstimulated to me. They pretend to be bored so we will bend to their will – if you’re busy, just ignore! She has to learn that it’s not always her time and that the best thing she can do is to chill out. They're the best dogs but they can be a lot – if you let them!

(Congrats if you got to the end of this extremely long essay. I am a professional writer but apparently brevity doesn't come naturally to me on Mumsnet.)

SpanielsSunflowersSand · 22/01/2025 12:59

Sounds like she’s trained you to help her become an Olympic athlete 😂

I think everyone has hit the nail on the head so far. She just needs to learn to chill out. After every walk/ play/ training session, pop her in the crate. Few months of that and she probably won’t need the crate anymore. Mines 3 now and I don’t need to micromanage him. He just takes himself off to his bed. Don’t think a walk will tire her out though. They need to solve things. Look at some gundog training on YouTube, it’s really helpful 😊

Elli123 · 22/01/2025 13:57

brushingboots · 22/01/2025 12:53

@Elli123 I have a 19-month-old working cocker and WFH with her and her day looks like this – (apols for length but hope it’s helpful)

8-9am ish, get up, maybe come back to bed with me depending on how quickly we need to be out/if I need to do some work first.

9-11 ish – walk: always offlead, mostly training walk or a kind of purposeful walk: finding pheasants/partridges and flushing and stopping on them. I always take her to gamey areas to practice and we do a lot of gundog skills – some retrieves, but mostly sitting around doing nothing in the middle of a field, marking birds, and hunting for balls/rabbit balls/cold game/partridge wings etc. Sometimes on the morning walk we’ll meet up with dog friends and have a more feral run around and she’ll play with a ball a bit but on the whole I don’t use balls for throwing, only for finding. As others above have said about their dogs she can get a bit overhyped on too much ball throwing and it is clear that it does absolutely nothing for her mental health. I only ever take a ball out with me for useful purposes – for finding or chucking a reward retrieve out. The morning walk isn’t always two hours but I always allow up to two hours in case we bump into someone chatty/drive somewhere. This morning it was 65 mins, yesterday 85 mins. Always at least an hour as it helps me to start my day properly.

10.30/11ish – back home, she eats, I eat, I start work properly, she sleeps/chills. If I have a call I tend to go upstairs to let her sleep in peace, sometimes I’ll do the food shop in the morning for the same reason. She isn’t crated and never has been so has the run of the house when I’m in and the kitchen/snug if I’m not.

Roughly lunchtime ish, maybe 1-2 ish – she gets up for a wee and wants to ‘go and do something’ so we go into the garden and do some skills. Maybe some whistle work, or sitting doing nothing in the middle of the garden, some finding, more hunting, a few very short retrieves, or if we’re lucky a pheasant will pop in and she can practice sitting quietly while it walks around. Or we just chill out and walk around the garden checking the borders/fences/I might go and do the bins and she helps me etc.

After lunch (small piece of cheese/leftover tuna etc for her) she goes back to sleep. She might potter about a bit with her toys or chewing one of the many, many bones she’s abandoned. She’ll come and tap me on the leg from time to time at the table and ask for a fuss which she either gets or I’ll tell her to go back to bed. Perhaps a wee break or two but just wee and back inside.

Then about 5.30/6, depending on my schedule and her sleep schedule as sometimes she’s still sparko at 6.30, we go out for a second walk. If it’s an onlead walk it’s usually 40/50 minutes, practicing loose lead walking and heel work, but it is mainly a sniff opportunity. I let her stop at every single sniff. We avoid other dogs if possible and do a lot of pavement manners and road manners. If offlead usually about 45-60 mins doing something similar to the morning – a purposeful run around and sniff, but more relaxed, not least as it’s dark this time of year. In the summer her evening walks are much more fun and we will often go swimming.

Get back, she eats, I eat, and then we do our evening routine – I get changed, tidy up a bit and she helps, she has a wee/sniff outside, and then she’s keen to get into my jumper/on the sofa with me and my laptop to watch tv/stare at Mumsnet/do emails/do more work/talk on the phone etc until about 11/11.30pm when she has her last wee and goes to bed in the kitchen/snug and I go upstairs.

Weekends are more active with longer walks and trips out and seeing people etc but when we’re at home and it’s just us, which it is during the week as dog-dad works in London, we have a solid routine which largely comprises her being calm and asleep or just chilling. She’s a joy to be with.

We had a period where she was constantly dropping a ball in front of me in the house and I just went cold turkey and hid ALL of them. She’s now allowed to have a few in the house that she will carry around and bring to me sometimes, but she knows that balls are for finding not chasing, as the thing we are always working on is her specifically not chasing moving objects/creatures of any kind. For that reason I actively avoid people on walks with ball chuckers and will take literally any alternative route to get away from them.

The first thing I taught her when she was a puppy was to ‘go and lie down’ and it has been a blessing. People always say ‘oh she must be so mad at home!!!’ and no, she’s not, because she was taught at 12 weeks old that bed was a good place to be when I was busy. If she’s being annoying I just ignore her (provided she’s got everything she actually needs) because it’s not her time – it’s my time to work so that I can pay for her and her lifestyle!

She is the biggest part of my life without doubt but I knew that she would be when I got her. She does follow me around the house a lot though not all the time anymore, but I don’t mind as she’s my best girl. We haven’t got kids (yet) so she’s not in competition with anyone and it’s just me and her five days a week. She’s never had a dog walker though occasionally goes to daycare – there’s no way she’d need a two hour dog-walker walk on top of what she does. She’d just be even fitter and she’s plenty fit enough. If she finds forbidden items for attention she gets totally ignored (unless it’s dangerous, though it never is) and then puts them down, deflatedly. Your lovely girl sounds overstimulated to me. They pretend to be bored so we will bend to their will – if you’re busy, just ignore! She has to learn that it’s not always her time and that the best thing she can do is to chill out. They're the best dogs but they can be a lot – if you let them!

(Congrats if you got to the end of this extremely long essay. I am a professional writer but apparently brevity doesn't come naturally to me on Mumsnet.)

Thank you so much for your comprehensive reply, your dog sounds amazingly well trained.

clearly I have been way too accommodating to her demands as she would quite literally play ball ALL day. Although I would feel bad not allowing the balls as she is the happiest little dog chasing her balls😁.

loads of really useful tips here, I just need to put them into action.

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Tissuesandfluff · 22/01/2025 14:39

Honestly it will be worth it once you manage the settle and structure her day better and honestly she's fine and not sad you have had great advice WCS are a lot especially adolescent but she shouldn'tbe taking up yourwhole day. .

tabulahrasa · 22/01/2025 14:54

You’ve already had advice on getting her to chill out…

But you’ve got a young dog who’s bred to be active and handler focused - it’s very normal that she’d think everything you’re doing is also something she’s involved in. So her following you round the house while you do things is pretty much par for the course.

Obviously if she’s being a PITA then that’s what you want to be getting her to chill about or giving her other things to do, training her to walk behind you if she’s underfoot etc. you’ll get more success focusing on the specific issue you’re having.

Chuchoter · 22/01/2025 15:21

Cocker spaniels can be over stimulated and it's important they learn how to rest and enjoy being still.

brushingboots · 22/01/2025 15:25

@Elli123 You're welcome! She isn't perfect but she is a good girl – we try our best. Your girl will be too. They just need a stop button as they will tug on our heartstrings otherwise – I completely get it.

OldSpeclkledHen · 22/01/2025 17:48

@Elli123 ahhh you were just like me when I got my DPup to start with then!

I walked his little legs off, (he's a rescue Terror X and bit older than your girl) but he did actually go lame from where I'd done so much with him 😳😳 (in my defence, everyone told me he was super fit, I just completely overdid it in my excitement of taking him on)

The fact she's crate trained is great! Enforce time out during the day, so everyone gets a bit of peace, dogs need more sleep then us (16-18 hours)

Nose/scent work is great too for mentally tiring them out, maybe replace a longer walk with a shorter one with some sniffs

There's also a great Fb group Canine Enrichment for leaving dogs to entertain themselves

Being bored is a part of life, I just have to accept my darling boy has Resting Sad Face 😂 but we can't always be on the go doing stuff 🙃

Good luck 👍👍

Unluckycat1 · 22/01/2025 18:00

I agree with the poster who said go cold turkey on balls. You think she loves them but if you looked into what balls are actually doing to her joints and mental health and arousal you'd see a different picture. My dog "loved" them too and I'll use one in an emergency (a squeaky ball will work as recall when nothing else will) but her walks are so much more enriching and healthy without them.

I don't have a link on me but a poster on here shared one about balls that completely changed how I thought about them. I wonder if anyone else has it?

EdithStourton · 22/01/2025 18:35

She needs to find her off-switch and she needs fulfilment of her genetic drives.

I have two high-drive working-line gun dogs. Most days they get 75-90 minutes exercise split over two walks, one first thing, one mid/late afternoon. It's all off-lead apart from loose-lead training. Some days they get a lot more, and one of them is worked a few days per season.

Of that exercise time, 20-45 minutes is usually training time, in which I aim to get them to do what they were bred for. We do a mix of retrieving, hunting under control and basic obedience (the basic obedience really helps with keeping them under control when hunting, and with their general life manners). We started with simple things (basic seen retrieves, for example) and over time I've ramped that up to retrieves over obstacles, blind retrieves (where I put the dummy out and one of them has to find it), directional and distance work. It works their brains, and it's that which tires them out. Basic obedience takes focus and concentration from them - a 10 minute sit stay with me across the rugby pitch seems to wear them out as much as charging around.

And about once a week I just take them for a walk rather than have a dedicated training session - but even then I'll throw in random recalls and stop whistles and stays. It might be a 30 minute walk, it might be over an hour. Or DH might walk to a local pub (miles...) and take them with him to share his bowl of chips at the bar.

If they're hanging around me at home, I might send them to their bed if they're in the way (say I'm dealing with hot pans and don't want to fall over one of them). Or I might just stop what I'm doing for a couple of minutes and do some monkey drills (some combo of sit, stand, middle, down, heel on repeat a few times, maybe for a treat, maybe for praise). They think monkey drills are a game and loads of fun... Then I tell them to buzz off and they usually do ('Go on, enough, that's it, off you go...')

Most of the time at home, they just chill. They come in from the morning walk (first thing, as soon as we're up one of us will take them), get fed and then mostly sleep/listen for the doorbell/come and check up on us/supervise the emptying of the washing machine - they're not pains in the arse at all. They start hinting about the afternoon walk by 2/2.30, but if they're told, nope, too soon, they settle back down again. They're taken for their afternoon walk any time between 2.30 and 5, are fed on their return and the chill for the evening. Sometimes they play together a bit, or I'll play with one or other of them for a couple of minutes.

With your cocker, I agree with PP that the balls are an issue. One of mine is ball-obsessed and I limit how many balls retrieves she gets (usually of a stationary ball that I have already thrown, while she waits by me), and will sometimes use a ball as a reward. Something else you can do is get her to really use her nose by chucking balls into long grass when she's not looking, and getting her to hunt them up and bring them to you. You could try replacing some of the balls with a couple of gundog training dummies (companies like Dog and Field do a huge selection) if she's still a bit too manic.

I really think that the key things with working line dogs is to give them either what they were bred for, or a facsimile of it. Puzzle toys and lickimats aren't what they want and need - fine as an add-on if you want, but not the same them using their noses to find something that they want in long grass and brambles.

BarbedButterfly · 22/01/2025 18:42

You can't wear out our working boy with walks. It is impossible. I do training with him 4 times a day for 10 to 20 mins a time and he sleeps a lot. I play hiding games where he has to sniff out his ball or toys or food. He has a chew and will lie at my feet and chew on that for ages.

He needs brain stimulation that work with his natural instincts. We have a behaviorist who has given the above advice, especially about over walking.

We have trained settle and have to keep redoing it every day to enforce it. He also needs a lot of sleep.

SuzieQ300 · 22/01/2025 18:55

When you say she looks bored/depressed, I'll bet she's not at all. My springer would walk all day and all night if I offered, but maybe you're overdoing it and she's just going along with it. 2 walks a day and a bit of play, just tell her 'enough' when you have and she'll just have to suck it up. She'll get used to the new routine and more likely to settle. If a walk or play is always potentially on the cards then she'll be waiting for it. She'll huff to start with, but stick to your guns. It's not being mean, it's finding a balance. Good luck, she sounds amazing and you are a brilliant dog Mum.

Crikeyalmighty · 22/01/2025 18:58

Ha ha- hope you aren't the mum to a lovely working spaniel bitch we have occasionally on borrow my doggy- ( she's 3) - she's so lovely and full of personality but blimey she's incredibly full on !! Never seems to have much down time-