Cost of puppy

[Durdledore]

Hi there,

We have been actively thinking about getting a dog for over two years now. We would love to get one now as the time feels right. We would like a puppy rather than an adult dog but we can’t afford the huge outlay of what we are finding online - £2000 ish even for a mixed breed.

Can anyone advise? We are looking at local rescues too of course.

It's not pretentious or condescending in any way to point out that some of us do need to spend thousands on "a flipping dog" to get the breed or bloodlines that we want. It's a fact.

If you don't want to do that, fine, it's your choice - get whatever dog you want from whatever source, but don't keep telling us we can get the same much cheaper. Because we really can't 😁

I wouldn't consider the above dog if you have young children or as a first time dog owner.

Reported.

There’s so much wrong with that advert and that mix I wouldn’t even know where to start without getting a lifetime ban

What the actual fuck is a cava inu when it's at home? Puppy farming and profiteering at its worst. 🤬

A very confused dog one would think!

He's an F1B Cava Inu - you can learn more about the crossbreed on https://cavainu.com to get educated about the mix.

It’s a mongrel - don’t try and dress it up. Advertising your dog on social media and at ‘discounted price’ is code for puppy farmer.

Lol no. Mom and Dad both DNA tested. Dad is KC registered.

I'm offering the OP and only the OP a chance to own a puppy at cost because his sisters are leaving today.

There are two breeds crossed; a mongrel has more than 2 distinct breeds in their DNA, but if you knew about dogs, you'd know that? Weird that you'd get involved in something you didn't understand...?

It's the Shiba Inu part of your mix that makes picking a puppy into a roulette game for families and inexperienced owners.

And if you are a serious breeder, you would know that even a F1B, can inherit all the undesirable traits.
And your puppies are crossed back to what? From your advert it looks like Shiba Inu...

Why the actual fuck would anyone cross a Shiba Inu with a Cavalier? Like....why?

Oh yeah... £££

You've invented them and now you're trying to make out they're some sort of desirable cross. The website is run by you, isn't it?

I got involved because anyone who advertises their dog to someone they do not know is disgraceful and shouldn’t be breeding. A good breeder doesn’t discount their dogs - they keep it as long as it takes to find the right home. It’s not a bogof sale.

Stop trying to dress it up. YOU are a puppy farmer and know nothing about genetics, health or dogs in general.

Shibu Inus are NOT an appropriate family pet for most people and anyone advertising any sort of mongrel or pedigree from that dog should know that. So you’re either negligent or you don’t care. Which is it?

What makes the OP so special then, that you've decided to give her this opportunity of a cut price pup?

You say on your ad you're looking for "excellent" owners. Nothing OP has posted gives the impression she's even owned a dog before.

Inus aren't for an inexperienced owner and it's ridiculously irresponsible to offer one in this way. Also stating it's because you don't want the last pup to be lonely is laughable.

I didn't invent them, I got my Cava Inu as a puppy, drove round-trip from Birmingham to Maidstone to collect.

Also, not making any profit off these pups - costs are around £100 per pup per week they stay here when you factor in stud, whelping midwife, cost of heating to 33C / 30C / 28C for first four weeks, health checks for sire, dam & puppies, vaccinations, worming and flea treatments, microchips, food (raw & kibble), advertising, toys + additional equipment - and those toys & additional equipment go back with each pup, apart from playpen & temporary fencing there's nothing left when they go.

Not to mention 2 weeks unpaid off work to sleep downstairs with them.

No one who breeds is doing it for profit, I don't think.

Stop trying to defend yourself. It's disgusting breeding dogs like that.

I've just been passed by a rescue to go meet their wee mixed pups, I'm beyond excited. There ARE puppies in rescue if you look and be prepared to wait!

No one who breeds is doing it for profit, I don't think.

😂

Plenty of pups sell for much cheaper than yours and there's still profit to be made. I've got nothing against decent breeders making a profit, I've stated that in an earlier post... but making out you're breaking even is ridiculous. You must be selling this pup at a loss then, but that's OK as you don't want it to be lonely 🙄 It has it's mum as it is... so will surely be more lonely at a home with no other dogs?

I'm trained in this, whilst you don't even understand what a "puppy farm" is, so probably best not to try to take the moral high-ground.

I'm keeping Green here as long as it takes to find a good home. OP wanted a puppy at a reasonable price, I'm a position to let Green go to a good home at a reasonable price. Nothing more than that.

Shiba's aren't the best family pets, but crossed with CKCS they're perfect. It quietens down the prey drive, but they're still very clean more friendly & brilliant with kids. Don't know what you're missing out on 'til you've owned one.

Shiba's aren't the best family pets, but crossed with CKCS they're perfect.

This isn't how crosses work plus you're back crossing to the dog you're trying to calm down.

If you were trained in this you'd already know this.

I'm not breaking even this time. A straight £5K loss on wages for a start; but, raising puppies is about the most joyful experience anyone can have, knowing you're bringing a lifelong companion for someone into the world.

I was a vet for twenty years. Pretty sure I’ve got more experience in my little toe about puppy farm puppies and what dodgy cross breeding does than you have. Puppy farmers are dodgy breeders - that is you. It’s not about profit or anything other than people who have no idea about genetics and who don’t have the best interests for their puppies in mind - which you don’t given you’re offering a ‘deal price’ to someone via social media. Don’t back pedal now and try and claim you’re responsible - you’ve already shown us all you’re not.

OP has no experience with dogs. Dodgy mongrel crosses can be seriously damaged - you do not automatically get the personality you hope for - even a toddler should understand that thus. Why do you think cockerpoos have so many issues?!

TBH you’re a puppy farmer with no basic understanding of puppy raising, no understanding of genetics, no understanding of quality and vetted owners, so there’s no point is even trying to reason with you. Everyone who has seen your post has said the same thing I have - all of whome are active, experienced dog owners or breeders, so it’s pretty obvious who is wrong here.

"I was a vet for 20 years" says someone on the internet.

No, a puppy farm has multiple litters on the go; my dam is only having one litter in her lifetime, and puppy contract for new owners only allows owners two litters max lifetime.

‘I’m a responsible breeder’ says someone advertising puppies on social media.

Don’t try and shoe-horn your definition of puppy farmers into a phrase that covers a lot just to try and exclude yourself and pretend to be something you are not

I'm a 4* rated breeder.
Not 5*, but I'm pretty damned good.

and puppy contract for new owners only allows owners two litters max lifetime

These contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on. Once money has exchanged hands, the new owner is free to do with their pup as they wish. Yes, you could go to the trouble of keeping tabs (doubtful) and take them to court, but it's unlikely you'd win.

Personally I wouldn’t be advertising myself as 4. The criteria isn’t exactly hard to achieve. I’d call it pretty basic for anyone who actually cares about their dogs and the puppies