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Adolescent Dog Survival...Sharing Tips & Tails

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BrodiePup · 29/09/2024 08:23

Moving on from the puppy survival thread, this is for anyone with a hormonal teenager 🤪

Brodie is just over 7 months now, and is a fun loving pup who is (mostly) a pleasure to be around. My main issue is still walking him which can either be almost a pleasure, or like having a Tasmanian Devil doing breast stroke and bunny hopping down the road 😡. There seems to be no reason for which dog gets attached to the end of the lead, but at least it shows he can do it if he's in the mood!

We've also had our first proper tummy upset this week 🤢 no doubt due to some rubbish he picked up and swallowed before I spotted it. Thankfully it seems to have passed now.

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brushingboots · 16/11/2024 19:38

@LemonpaIms She had a super long walk this afternoon with her best friend, flushing pheasants, so she is very pleased with life and now curled up on me on the sofa.

I can bore you to tears with gundog training ideas if you like! There are loads that work well for ‘pet’ life. I don’t know if you’ve done any sit stays at distance with him but that's a really good one to start off with – it works their brains and is good for steadying them up. In short (and forgive me if I’m teaching my granny to suck eggs etc) –

  • sit him up somewhere, in the house/garden – would do it in a low-distraction area to start with
  • take a few steps back, make sure he’s still sitting
  • walk back in, mark, treat

And then repeat, and you can go further and further away, round corners, different directions, doing a dance, waving your hands in the air eventually, all the while building it up. The idea is that he’s sitting exactly where he is until you say otherwise. Just don’t rush it – you want to go just a few steps further away each time. I started off walking backwards away from her so she could see my face and I’d hold my hand up as a signal to stay put, but now I can walk off away from her. We do it in all sorts of places and it’s a good one to practice on walks with dropping a poo bag off at a bin, for example.

When you're doing it, if he creeps forward towards, which he might well, that’s fine – just walk back to him, and take him back to where he was and say ‘sit’ again. And then do the same again but leave him sitting for a shorter distance so he nails every 'level'. You want to build this up pretty slowly so it’s solid – don't worry if he's shifty and wobbly to start with as he will learn. I don’t use any command for this as to me, ‘sit’ means ‘sit until I say otherwise’. I don’t recommend recalling him from that point – you need to be returning to him. Him sitting away from you in a field and then recalling to you is a separate exercise, a skill for another day, and one that you want to master second, in my view.

Would also suggest the gundog ‘back’ – I say ‘go back’ but it’s the same thing. In the field it has a specific purpose but at home it’s handy for picking up toys that they’ve left behind somewhere. I use it for that all the time.

There will be YouTube videos of this I’m sure but the way I taught it was –

  • put a bowl with a few treats/kibble allowance in it a few metres away – can start doing it inside but a low-distraction garden probably works best
  • on lead walk him up to it and make sure he has a good look at what’s in the bowl
  • walk him back to where you want to start from, sit him next to you, and crouch down a bit pointing with your hand towards the bowl, and say ‘go back’. Can either let him go to it with the lead dragging or you can unclip
  • he goes to the bowl, takes a treat, and then you recall him back for praise

He should get that pretty quick. You want to be pointing directly at the bowl, be clear with your instruction and your hand direction – that opens you up to another good training bit which I could write another essay on! You will likely need to keep replenishing the bowl but you can practice his sit stay while you're doing that so it's a two in one.

And then practice, practice, practice. You might have to do it a few times with the bowl – the bowl is useful as then he can see where he’s supposed to be going ‘back’ to. Eventually you can send him back for toys he’s left. In the mornings pupsy always takes a toy out for a wee with her, and she invariably leaves it behind. She knows now that if she gets to the back door without it, I will say ‘go back’ and she literally goes back to fetch whatever she left. So it does have transferability!

If you got this far, bravo! But I hope that gives you some inspiration? I have loads of these kinds of drills and we do them both on walks and at home for fun. Right now we’re teaching a stop when flushing a bird and the foundation of that comes from the sit stay, basically, so there is a pathway you can follow and you needn’t even go anywhere near a gun/any game if you don’t want.

brushingboots · 16/11/2024 19:45

@MooseBeTimeForSnow I’m not surprised the groomer loved him, he definitely one of the most handsome dogs I’ve ever seen too! What an absolute beauty he is. People must approach you all the time to admire him!

How cold will it get, at its coldest? I am in awe of you dog walking in the proper cold with R needing boots or wax – I guess that level of cold happens so rarely here, luckily, that we’d just give our dogs a day off/a short walk.

Bupster · 16/11/2024 19:54

@brushingboots this stuff is so useful! I'm literally copying and pasting to use with Bill x

MooseBeTimeForSnow · 16/11/2024 19:55

@brushingboots at it’s coldest, -40 with the wind chill. It’s very dry though, so provided you’re well wrapped up it is bearable. The forecast is suggesting a daytime temperature of -15 next weekend.

Dog walks don’t happen when it’s that cold though. He’ll go outside to do his business but that’s it. Lots of indoor training and brain games I guess! It will be better next winter when he’ll be old enough for agility.

brushingboots · 16/11/2024 20:00

@Bupster we can do it any time together! I have loads up my sleeve x

brushingboots · 16/11/2024 20:03

@MooseBeTimeForSnow -40! That is wild. I think the coldest I've experienced is about -20 but that was in skiing and you're wearing so many clothes and, crucially, moving.

lookwhatyoumademedoo · 16/11/2024 20:51

@brushingboots thankyou for some great training ideas!! i'm going to look into gundog training with Max after christmas, i feel he would really benefit from it.
I'm currently researching head collars to help train walking on lead, does any of you use on? if so, which style/brand do you find best? I'm a bit apprehensive about buying one and trying it out!

brushingboots · 16/11/2024 21:07

@lookwhatyoumademedoo you're welcome! I'm sure he would – it is really fun and teaches you as the human so much too. And it's addictive!

I am personally super against headcollars but I know people do like them – I think on the recent thread on here about harnesses for a 6kg dog, despite what the title suggests, the chat got into headcollars and which ones are best. No judgement intended at all – all our dogs are different and we can all tolerate different behaviours – but I would try literally anything else before a headcollar.

PyreneanAubrie · 16/11/2024 21:12

Dogmatic collars, headcollars and leads are very good. We had an orange set for our previous (male) Pyrenean. We opted for the orange because it looked less like a muzzle. I've washed it so it's ready if we decide to try it on Brie.

We had previously tried a Halti but all the dogs hated it. Algy never minded the Dogmatic.

PyreneanAubrie · 16/11/2024 21:20

brushingboots · 16/11/2024 21:07

@lookwhatyoumademedoo you're welcome! I'm sure he would – it is really fun and teaches you as the human so much too. And it's addictive!

I am personally super against headcollars but I know people do like them – I think on the recent thread on here about harnesses for a 6kg dog, despite what the title suggests, the chat got into headcollars and which ones are best. No judgement intended at all – all our dogs are different and we can all tolerate different behaviours – but I would try literally anything else before a headcollar.

Anything? Even a prong collar or shock collar?

I know, we all have our own preferences.
I'm possibly more averse to harnesses that have the lead attached at the front because they appear to make dogs crab...
Although my personal pet hate is definitely extending leads 😡

We found the Dogmatic headcollar useful for pavement walks although he was mostly just walked on a standard collar and long lead. He didn't seem to find it at all uncomfortable.

lookwhatyoumademedoo · 16/11/2024 21:20

thankyou @PyreneanAubrie and @brushingboots. I'd prefer not to have to use one if i'm honest but i'm at a bit of a loss as to what else i can try. I don't drive so we walk everywhere and getting dragged there and back is starting to hurt my back (i've got scoliosis) so if one helps im willing to try.

brushingboots · 16/11/2024 21:23

@PyreneanAubrie oh god no, not absolutely anything if you include those! Honestly I didn't even think of them as I wouldn't even consider them a training aide at all but something that ought to be banned if it isn't already!

brushingboots · 16/11/2024 21:25

@lookwhatyoumademedoo what are you walking him on at the mo? And is he just dragging you along?

lookwhatyoumademedoo · 16/11/2024 21:29

we use a harness at the moment, i've tried front clip, back clip and tried him just with his collar. on our way to wherever we're going he could pull a sleigh! he's slightly better on the way back unless he gets a scent or sees another dog/cat/leaf blowing in wind!

PyreneanAubrie · 16/11/2024 21:35

brushingboots · 16/11/2024 21:23

@PyreneanAubrie oh god no, not absolutely anything if you include those! Honestly I didn't even think of them as I wouldn't even consider them a training aide at all but something that ought to be banned if it isn't already!

I was sort of saying it tongue in cheek in my evil way 😈 as I knew what your response would be. I used to think that YouTube trainer whose name begins with W was quite good until I saw him advocating prong collars.
I won't even use a normal choke chain on ours let alone a spiked one.

I do think a headcollar possibly works better on a tall dog whose head is above hip level on the handler... Algy's head was level with my waist.

Bupster · 16/11/2024 21:40

@lookwhatyoumademedoo Bill’s like that - what helped the most was watching a video on how to use a training lead. I hadn’t realised it wasn’t just about clipping at the front and back, but also looping the lead through one of the metal loops to make a handle, so it actually turns him when he pulls too hard. I mean, he still manages to twist the harness, but it’s infinitely better than just the back clip and it slows him down enough I don’t get pulled over and can even reward him when he’s in the right position.

I’m personally also wary of head collars (but I don’t have a 40kg puppy, which might well change my mind @PyreneanAubrie). Having said that, DTAS say if you have to, Dogmatic are the least aversive.

PyreneanAubrie · 16/11/2024 21:41

lookwhatyoumademedoo · 16/11/2024 21:29

we use a harness at the moment, i've tried front clip, back clip and tried him just with his collar. on our way to wherever we're going he could pull a sleigh! he's slightly better on the way back unless he gets a scent or sees another dog/cat/leaf blowing in wind!

I know the feeling. Brie takes off after blowing leaves too and we suddenly go into a gallop. She has now outgrown her EzyDog harness so I'm slightly lost as to what to try next.
I keep looking at the Ruffwear Webmaster harness but it's quite pricey and I'm just not sure if it'll be a good fit for such a long bodied dog.

PyreneanAubrie · 16/11/2024 21:45

lookwhatyoumademedoo · 16/11/2024 21:20

thankyou @PyreneanAubrie and @brushingboots. I'd prefer not to have to use one if i'm honest but i'm at a bit of a loss as to what else i can try. I don't drive so we walk everywhere and getting dragged there and back is starting to hurt my back (i've got scoliosis) so if one helps im willing to try.

Only just seen this. How odd. I don't drive and I have scoliosis and a lateral pelvic tilt, plus a strong dog, so I can totally empathise with your predicament!

lookwhatyoumademedoo · 16/11/2024 21:47

i'll take a look at that @Bupster thankyou!
i can't imagine walking a dog the size of brie @PyreneanAubrie, i can only just about manage max when sets off unexpectedly after something! I can't tell you the amount of times i've felt embarrassed because i look like i can't control my dog! and im really trying, we even just walk up and down our street on lead to practice but he just doesn't seem to be getting it 😞

lookwhatyoumademedoo · 16/11/2024 21:50

it's a nightmare isn't it @PyreneanAubrie. i have days like today where im in agony with it and i could really do without him taking me for a walk!!!

brushingboots · 16/11/2024 21:56

@PyreneanAubrie Haha! I’d hope you’d know what I’d say about those collars. I was watching what I thought was a really good training video the other day when I realised how he was making the dog stop – with a collar – and promptly closed the window. No thanks, sir. I don’t know how they’re allowed.

That’s a good point about the height of the dog – I can see how it makes more sense that way, as the Great Dane I occasionally see round here has one. By dint of their height they've naturally got a different head position to a spangle.

@lookwhatyoumademedoo And what do you do when he yanks? Just trying to see if we can troubleshoot it for you from afar as there’s no reason why he can’t do it, he just doesn’t want to. So let’s figure out why.

If it’s not unseemly, but I remembered it because @Bupster kindly pointed it out on another thread the other day, I echo my own advice either on here or on the puppy thread before – sometimes there are times when it’s not worth training a skill because it’s the wrong environment, and when frankly they don’t deserve to be trained. For pupsy (and likely Max), on the way out of the house is that time. First thing, she always needs a poo, she wants to sniff the morning mice/rabbits, and she wants to get to wherever we’re going. She isn’t going to walk to heel, and she probably is going to pull me a bit. But on the way home, she’s easier so that’s when we work on it, and then I work on it hard and I massively praise any offering of the behaviour I’m looking for as she is amenable to taking praise.

PyreneanAubrie · 16/11/2024 21:57

lookwhatyoumademedoo · 16/11/2024 21:50

it's a nightmare isn't it @PyreneanAubrie. i have days like today where im in agony with it and i could really do without him taking me for a walk!!!

It is a struggle at times. Sorry you're in pain today. I haven't been able to walk Brie at all for the last three days because of a flare up that's affected my neck and head. I'd love to be able to get out with her tomorrow...

I do the same thing as you with regard to walking up and down the street for lead practice; stop, start, turn and she'll walk nicely, but as soon as we get near the fields and she sees a dog, all the training is forgotten and she's back in puppy mode 🙄

lookwhatyoumademedoo · 16/11/2024 22:06

i'm sorry your in pain too @PyreneanAubrie. i hope you feel well enough to get out for a walk with Brie tomorrow 🤞🏻
@brushingboots when he pulls i stop, get him to come back to me, when lead is loose and he's focused on me i reward and continue. rinse and repeat.
thankyou for the advise, it's really appreciated!

PyreneanAubrie · 16/11/2024 22:14

Are headcollars really considered aversive @Bupster ? I had no idea. I won't use it on Brie if that's the case. Algy never seemed bothered by it, although none of them ever got along with the Halti one. Algy though was exceptionally tall, as I've already said, and I do think that makes a difference.

Interesting what you say @brushingboots ; with Brie on the way out she's pulling me, but on the way back I'm pulling her because she wants to stay out. They say don't overdo the exercise as pups, but she wants to walk for an hour.

Thanks @lookwhatyoumademedoo 😊Hopefully a gentle walk tomorrow if I wake up without head pain.

Edited for punctuation.

brushingboots · 16/11/2024 22:16

@lookwhatyoumademedoo you're doing everything right! He's a baby and you're working on it and he will get there. Age and general steadiness might well be a factor too – at about the time I switched from a harness to a collar she also had her first season and overnight seemed to grow up.

If we are having a particularly pully period of walking I sometimes walk with the lead behind my leg, so if she's on my right I hold the lead in my left hand behind me and so my right leg acts as a kind of stopper. I'm not sure if you'd find that comfy with your back but just another technique to try.

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