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Urinating Indoors

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GlitteryUnicornSparkles · 18/01/2024 21:19

I’m just wondering if anyone has experience of the following, I’d be interested in outcomes (apologies for length trying to be detailed):

I own a 9 year old Pomeranian who is impeccably house trained, never has accidents ever. A couple of weeks before Christmas he started sporadically urinating in the house, by sporadically we’re talking once or twice a day with a gap of 2 sometimes 3 days clear before the next accident(s), always in the same places, on the sofa / on the landing / on my bed 😭 and always when I wasn’t home. Given the time between incidents and always the same places it almost comes across as behavioural but nothing has changed at home or in routine to trigger a behaviour change. A few days before Christmas he urinated 3 times on the same day (the most yet, one of which I was actually there for this time) so I got him into the vets. The vet agreed it definitely sounded behavioural rather than medical but given that cystitis is not uncommon in dogs his age and in the absence of any triggers and so close to Christmas and having not been able to get a urine sample she decided to treat precautionally. He was put on metacam, Synulox (antibiotics) & some urinary health tablets on a 7 day course. From that day not a single accident in the house so logic dictated to me that there had most likely been an infection that had now cleared, all sorted, yay! Fast forward 3 weeks and 1 day and he literally came up to me on the sofa, semi lay down behind me and started to urinate on the sofa, I ushered him off the sofa and he legged it upstairs to his bed and continued to urinate on that but held it in whilst running from the living room too his bed which would indicate some degree of control. 3 days passed with no accidents. Late yesterday morning (day 4) he was just lay on my bed with me chilling out but awake when he suddenly leaped of the bed and ran off almost cowering with his tail down between his legs which I found very bizzare, I jumped up to follow him to see if he was ok / wanted to go out to the loo and he was lay crouched on the stairs, I said ‘come on’ and called him down to let him outside only to notice he was leaving wet paw prints on the floor, I put him out and went back to the stairs and no wet patch then my heart sank, he’d pee’d on my bed! (Brand new expensive feather duvet only bought a week ago 😭) He didn’t get up to indicate he needed to go out like he normally would but was also clearly aware he’d done it. For a small dog the amount of urine during these episodes is quite substantial, the urine is highly diluted in these instances and doesn’t have a strong or distinctive urine smell to it. Never any issues overnight. I was there both these last times, nothing has happened at the time to trigger this, nothing has changed in the household either but symptom wise it isn’t typical of what you’d expect for something like a UTI. Everything I’ve read on google and in my nursing text books references frequent straining with little passed or frequent urination in large volumes but I can find nothing about large volumes only sporadically. I haven’t noticed him drinking any more than normal but temporarily shut him in a room on his own with a measured out bowl of water that the cats can’t access to try and determine his actual water intake which at 100ml in 18 hours was within normal parameters. I took a fresh urine sample to be tested this morning (first pee of the day), the results have come back ‘unremarkable’ no markers for infection / no blood, no glucose nothing. The vet I spoke with today says the fact his morning sample is concentrated indicates the kidney function is ok, he too is stumped and also thinks it sounds more behavioural. I’ve requested a full blood panel be done anyway for my own peace of mind and he is booked in for next week.

The problem is, if this is behavioural how do I tackle it without being able to identify any possible trigger and it being so sporadic and no warning he’s about to do it? Its very frustrating. I have had to hire a carpet & upholstry cleaner, I feel mean because he normally sleeps in my room but I have had to put a gate on the stairs to prevent him going upstairs so he can’t pee on the carpets or my bed.

If you made it to the end, thank you!

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DustyLee123 · 18/01/2024 21:28

Are you using the special cleaner where he’s wee’d?

GlitteryUnicornSparkles · 18/01/2024 22:55

I use biological washing powder in hot water highly concentrated. Obviously stuff that can go in the machine does. I’ve also hired a professional carpet / upholstery cleaning machine more than once.

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Wolfiefan · 18/01/2024 22:59

You need an enzyme cleaner. What’s his routine like? Any changes recently? Walks? How long is he left?

catelynjane · 18/01/2024 23:08

I would keep him on the urinary health supplements permanently.

GlitteryUnicornSparkles · 18/01/2024 23:11

Biological Washing powder is an enzyme cleaner. No changes to routine. Sometimes I walk in the morning other times I walk after work depending on how much time I have and the weather, thats always been the same. Term time he’s left from 8am - 3/4pm generally around 3 or 4 days a week depending on my rota, half term my teenage son is home with him all day, again this is not a change.

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catelynjane · 19/01/2024 06:21

Eight hours is a long time to be left - I appreciate that's his "normal" but dogs needs' change as they get older and it may be that he's not coping with it anymore.

Wolfiefan · 19/01/2024 06:47

It may not be a change but it’s far far too long. I’m guessing he has been unable to hold it as he’s getting older. Then it’s become a habit to go inside.

GlitteryUnicornSparkles · 19/01/2024 06:53

@catelynjane This is something I have given consideration to however one occasion was when I’d only nipped out for 2 hours and he had been out just before I left and had urinated not once but twice in that time. As stated in my op on 3 occasions I have actually been at home with him and he has both been out within the last few hours and hasn’t asked to go out. Take the bed scenario mentioned in my op, he had been out approx. 2.5 hours before hand, he was just lying on my bed with me when he did it, he didn’t even get up. This isn’t a case of him heading to the door and not making it or asking to go out but I’ve taken too long or even consistent with only being on the days he’s left, these situations and the fact he can hold it fine for several days in between do not tie in with that theory, I wish it did as that would be a simple fix of having someone to come into him halfway through the day.

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GlitteryUnicornSparkles · 19/01/2024 07:02

If it was everyday I’d understand possible formed habit but its so weirdly sporadic. I also just find it odd that it seemed to stop with treatment going weeks before starting up again. I’ll definitely see about putting him on longer term urinary health tabs to see if it helps.

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catelynjane · 19/01/2024 07:06

Unfortunately anxiety and anxiety related behaviours rarely follow a set pattern and often seem completely illogical.

Aside from the weeing do you know how he behaves when you're gone? Does he bark or howl or show any signs of being anxious?

It could be that you need to look at paying to a dog walker to come in at lunchtime to give him some company and the chance to get out to the toilet.

GlitteryUnicornSparkles · 19/01/2024 07:14

@catelynjane I do have a pet camera, its stopped working over Christmas since I updated the software so need to get it looked at but aside from barking at the postman (if he comes) he literally just curls up and sleeps on the sofa all day. No signs of anxious behaviour have been witnessed.

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catelynjane · 19/01/2024 07:16

That's good!

I would maybe look at getting someone to come and let him out at lunchtime then - it could just be that his bladder control isn't what it was and he needs more regular opportunities to toilet.

Wolfiefan · 19/01/2024 07:24

Sleeping on the sofa all day May not mean he’s calm. He could be shut down. It’s far too long to leave a dog. He may have coped with it before but he isn’t now.

IngGenius · 19/01/2024 11:05

Absolutely get him back to the vet. It can take several doses of medication to totally get rid of a urine infection.

I would not assume this is behavioural.

From your account he was lying down and then had wet himself without any warning. This is a very common in a dog with urinary incontinence/ physical issue and not a behavioural issue.

Back to the vet.

GlitteryUnicornSparkles · 19/01/2024 21:18

IngGenius · 19/01/2024 11:05

Absolutely get him back to the vet. It can take several doses of medication to totally get rid of a urine infection.

I would not assume this is behavioural.

From your account he was lying down and then had wet himself without any warning. This is a very common in a dog with urinary incontinence/ physical issue and not a behavioural issue.

Back to the vet.

Thank you, this is one of the many reasons I’m struggling with the idea that its behavioural and my gut it telling me there is definitely more to it. The vets agree its a bizzarre pattern either way but won’t give him any more treatment because his urine sample yesterday came back clear and his symptoms don’t completely tally with anything. I have this morning taken a photo of a wee he did on the path so if he has another accident I can get a photo to be able to physically show the sheer volume difference during one of these incidents even when he’s not long since been to the loo.

He is back at the vets on Wed for a full blood workup so I will ask about treating again anyway and if nothing else putting him on the urinary health tablets for a while as suggested above to see if that helps any.

I get people disagree with how long he is left and thats fine but I also think its slightly clouding judgment because if you take the example of him going out before I went out and me being back within 2 hours and he had been twice in that time, I let him out when I got back and then it happened again 10 minutes after he had been out just as I’d cleaned up or the case on the bed where he’d been out 2.5 hours before, not only would a dog walker at a 4 hour interval not have helped in these scenarios because that would have been too late but I struggle to believe that going from being able to hold it for 8 hours to less than two on some occasions cannot simply be gradual age deterioration.

He has been to work with me today and my son is home with him over the weekend whilst I work and he’ll be coming to work with me on Wed as its closer to the vets and I can just duck out for an hour with him so I’ll ask my Mum if she’ll pop over to him at lunchtime on Mon & Tues to give him a fuss and let him out to see if it makes any difference.

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